Episode 146: Government Website
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Time Crisis back again. New music from Mick Jagger and Dave Grohl, plus some
kind of new music from Van Morrison and Eric Clapton. On this episode we discuss
what boomers really are, who is and is not. We also talk about granola, count
down the top five country hits of 1964 and today. This is Time Crisis with Ezra
Koenig.
Time Crisis back again. What's up Jake? Good day to you. Good day to you sir. We
were just talking about maybe doing the show in person sometime soon hopefully.
That'd be interesting. I for one am sick of hanging out on the laptop. Yeah
definitely getting a little old. I know some people like it because they don't
have to drive or you know schlep around town but I was just saying I'm willing
to drive across town at rush hour to do the show in person. Yeah you used to have
it pretty harsh. I mean you know like a 45-minute drive to hang out with your
friends and tape a radio show every two weeks. I don't know if that's harsh. Yeah
I guess it depends who you are. I mean it's no surprise that well yeah I never
know what with you Jake what you're gonna find super harsh but it's it's one
of those things that like some people really f***ing hate and I do think it's a
little bit of like a mental exercise. That seems like some family feud sh*t. Top
five things that stress you out. It's gonna be like traffic, in-laws or some sh*t.
Yeah family. Waiting in line for brunch. Let me see waiting in line for brunch.
That stresses me out. Like you pull up to a restaurant you see that line and you're
just already like hell no. No way but then you're like meeting someone there
then it turns into a whole thing. Right. Yeah waiting more than like 15 minutes
for a restaurant it's like my true pet peeve. Stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic
in downtown LA trying to get over to Culver City to tape a show once every 14
days I can roll with that. If I did it every day it might get aggravating. Yeah
right if you got like the tough commute maybe that's why most people are like
super hate traffic is because it's like you know old-school day in day out
trying to get to your job not at your desk by 9 the boss is gonna give you
like some grief over sleep then you know some idiot cuts you off why are they
doing work right now yeah that's gonna piss people off but yeah I feel like
inherently traffic if you're kind of like alright this might take a while
it's almost like an aesthetic experience bumper-to-bumper Los Angeles traffic
getting cross town to do your internet radio show. Deeply aesthetic. Checking out
that bumper sticker scene. Yep just listening to local live radio about the
traffic. I mean that's some real sh*t especially growing up in New Jersey
going into the city which really wasn't very far although that's some of the
craziest traffic on earth is surrounding Manhattan and before phones before
there's any way to check and my dad was like you know doing serious commutes all
the time although he was often waking up you know super early with his job but I
have memories of kind of going into the city with him in the car and him like
listening to the AM radio and it was a bit of a thing like are you gonna take
the Lincoln Tunnel or the Holland Tunnel I was just gonna say what was your
tunnel we lived kind of equidistant from both and if things are really crazy you
can take the George Washington Bridge but that would be a very extreme
situation or depend where you're going in Manhattan but it was the same like
you start driving you're like listening you're waiting for that like whatever
traffic on the 10s you know like hoping that you catch it those just be like
Holland Tunnel looking great and you just like that was the only way you
could do it you're putting on 770 a.m. or the one I always remember was 1010
winds I don't do you know that I don't sure 1010 winds was just like
traffic and weather on the 10s every 10 minutes or something and also 1010
winds was always like real stressful with that like kind of classic what is
it like a marimba going ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding actually Mac you pull that up
see if they got the 1010 winds yeah just music I don't know Matt pulls that up
you know I texted you guys and I was listening to the new Tim McGraw record
which is about LA in his title song LA there's the line I don't mind the
traffic on the 405 really oh yeah well in fact that's where I met a good
friend of mine all gridlock stopped and stuck there killing time long way from
home but that's alright he also can afford to see traffic through an
aesthetic lens because he's not in it regularly he's in traffic once every few
weeks he's not doing a regular commute like Joe six-pack and also he's in a
Ferrari this is 1010 wins the cross rocks is backed up all the way to Jerome
Avenue you can see the dramatic video at 1010 wins calm the station you know
people you trust John Montone 1010 wins I'm Bridget Quinn I'm 1010 wins you give
us 22 minutes we'll give you the world I mean why is the music so hardcore and
then that kind of like dark note comes in boom like all they're telling you is
how slammed the the Holland Tunnel is most of the time well it's funny we're
like touching back into that like drive time terrestrial radio aesthetic is a
few episodes ago as there was doing the rush Limbaugh style live read for the San
Diego area car dealership oh yeah when rush Limbaugh died I this was very TC I
thought when he died I found this or I saw it somewhere there was a link a clip
of him from 1974 when he was an FM radio DJ in Pittsburgh playing like rock hits
he went under the name Jeff Christie I think but anyway there was one clip of
him introducing the song garden party by Ricky Nelson which was a DC favorite
yep and he like sort of in a backhanded way was like this song by Ricky Nelson
who's sort of a hippie now oh yeah and it was like wow like it was just like a
little foreshadowing like where rush would go just kind of but he was just
doing he was doing that like rush voice but I just it was like so weird just to
like it was like the beginning like if someone made some like whack rush Limbaugh
biopic like that'd be like the like kind of the beginning of like private parts
style we're like he gets his first job in Pittsburgh and he's just like it's
all like the long hairs at the like rock station in Pittsburgh and then rush is
like sort of obscuring his reactionary views anyway I'm going down a rabbit
hole here but Adam McKay presents rush an eight-part limited series it opens
with that scene he's just like listening to the new Ricky Nelson it's hanging out
with Yoko I don't know about that I went to a garden party to reminisce with my
old friend chance to share old memories play our songs again when I got to the
garden party they all knew my name no one recognized me didn't look the same
but it all right now learn my lesson well see you can't please everyone so
you got to please yourself people came for miles around everyone was there
Yoko brought a walrus there was magic in the air over in the corner much to my
surprise mr. Hughes hidden Dylan shoes wearing his disguise but it all right
now learn my lesson well see you can't please everyone so you got to please
yourself yeah you know it's funny I watched the movie talk radio not that
long ago you guys ever see that Eric Boghossian from the 80s oh yeah years
ago Oliver Stone film it has these very long like kind of 40-minute scenes of
this dude doing his radio show hmm and he's just like going through the collars
and he's got these like crazy neo-nazi collars and people with him and it's
just like really tense day kind of based on on a real talk radio host who was
murdered in the 80s but anyway you could picture a two-hour film about Rush Limbaugh
in the early 70s in Pittsburgh and like somehow he's just like doing the show
and then he like throws on the Ricky Nelson he's having these like
conversations about like Watergate or some yeah it could be like a black box
theater play as well yeah almost like a play Jesse Plemons is Rush Limbaugh all
right Adam McKay presents Rush starring Jesse Plemons have you seen that that a
Robert Altman film where Philip Baker Hall plays Nixon
it's from 1984 he's the only one in the movie it's basically a filmed play and
he's just like Philip Baker Hall is just Nixon ranting in his office for two
hours well it's a tough watch but it's tight
highly recommend can't remember the name of the movie easy to find
interesting. Secret honor. Yep secret honor. Secret honor. Anyway recently Mick Jagger
released probably one of his best solo songs actually I'm really unfamiliar
with Mick Jagger solo work but he dropped a surprise song with Dave Grohl
honestly not bad it hit the DC thread of course apparently we're not gonna be
able to listen to the whole thing because it's only on YouTube is that
correct all right we might as well just let's just throw in the beginning just
to give everybody a taste
and this is Grohl on guitar and drums
so yeah we can't listen to the whole thing we gave everybody a taste Jake
what were your initial impressions well the song is called Easy Sleazy yeah not
totally sure why my initial impressions were that the song rules whoa it's strong
words Mick Jagger and Dave Grohl's best work in the 21st century I like it
better than like most Foo Fighters songs damn it's up there with like bottom and
Nirvana but I was like pleasantly surprised with the song I like to change
the chorus I mean it's kind of like a dumb kind of like vamping on a one chord
kind of verse and then like I like that change they go into it's a little
surprise I don't I don't love Grohl I mean I would have honestly I would have
loved to hear the song with Keith Richards playing guitar and Charlie
Watts on drums I think it would have been a six stone song and like they
would have like made it a little more tasteful and subtle and mellow I've
always thought Grohl was a little lacking in tone touch and lyricism
great drummer but the guitar play I just like but anyway point is I was feeling
it I mean he held it down and he helped him write the song he knows his classic
rock in and out I think they both did great job together on this tune but I
understand what you're coming from Jake it would be so interesting to be if we
could hear like you know the exile era lineup yeah I mean we could go back to
the Brian Jones era but I don't know if he would have that much to contribute
this feels like a 70s song so you know if we had the exile lineup there's like
well dude who played sax I mean it'd be sick yeah like that's a funny like weird
experiment if like the stones went back to some like weird basement and like set
up a tape machine and recorded like and they were just like committed to like
we're not doing we're not like loading our tapes onto like Pro Tools to edit
later well we're just like making a record on tape not with a high-profile
producer not like Rick Rubin just like we're making a record in 2021
Mick and Keith man and the boards it'd just be interesting and I don't think it
would be a success necessarily but yeah I wonder if Mick thought about hitting
Keith up for this they probably don't talk unless they got a tour to plan biz
do you think Keith Richards knows this song exists he's aware of it but has not
heard it yeah I mean he's definitely not like going deep on the internet I
wouldn't think although I could see him just like sitting at his mansion all the
jewelry bandanas and just like with an iPad scrolling Apple News and I could
see him see the headline just like Dave growl yeah I can actually see him
hearing it checking it out the interesting thing about it is like it's
definitely not a bad song and shout out to Dave growl for like doing like a
appropriately Keith classic type chord voicings yeah the strangest thing about
this song or maybe the coolest thing however you want to look at it are the
lyrics oh yeah especially the later verses it's a very unusual feeling
hearing Mick get into this zone maybe there's some like deep stone stuff I
don't know but he's just like he and Keith are such great lyricists and their
vibes it's always like you know using classic American metaphors to like tell
a story it's almost like he's uh it's not quite weird out but he's getting
into this like just funny topical zone that's like just very on not
particularly stones he said let's look at the lyrics for a second we took it on
the chin the numbers were so grim bossed around by pricks stiff and other upper
lips pacing in the yard you're trying to take the Mick okay that's funny this is
the first time Mick Jagger has ever said use the phrase take the Mick in a song
wait what does take the Mick mean it's like some English it looks like they've
never referenced it in the lyrics so this is the first instance of that
expression to tease or to kid okay so you're trying to take the Mick yeah like
so this is like it's like a double entendre like you're trying to like take
on it's like are you kidding me are you kidding me with Mick yeah don't
with Mick yeah you're trying to take the Mick I think people say that a lot in
England so that's pretty deep that Mick Jagger's only singing now you're trying
to take the Mick you must think I'm really thick that just means dumb right
well people say that in America that's only an English thing right to be thick
no people say that here so he's kind of I mean people our age don't say it but
like really old people it has a like a different connotation I think when
people talk about being thick when they spell it THICC does that mean you're
dumb yeah looking at the graphs with the magnifying glass cancel all the tours
footballs fake applause no more travel brochures virtual premieres I've got
nothing left to wear looking out from these prison walls you got to rob Peter
if you're paying Paul but it's easy easy everything's gonna get really freaky
all right on the night soon it'll be a memory you're trying to remember to
forget the verses have that kind of like I don't know like office Christmas
party song vibe you know just like being topical just like yeah everyone in
accounting got together to write a song and they referenced all the things that
happened at the office that year it's got that vibe but he and Dave Grohl or
whoever wrote the lyrics was too talented because actually the chorus is
like very talented what yeah no the chorus is strong the chorus is like a
real could easily be a late Rolling Stones song looking at all your prison
walls you got to rob Peter if you're paying Paul that's strong but it's it's
easy easy everything's gonna get really freaky all right on the night soon will
be a memory you're trying to remember to forget that's like some classic like Mick
like fun with words I love that last line it's like it he's like things are
about like everyone's getting vaccinated soon Kovac is gonna be in the rearview
mirror mm-hmm it's gonna get crazy it's gonna get easy and sleazy people are
gonna party oh is that what the easy sleazy refers to that's how I interpret
it oh yeah everyone's really free just like things like like by mid late summer
things are just gonna be like ripping mix been dying to party how old hell
yeah right now 78 that's my guess I don't know that's a good guess you know
what's funny I feel like all of the like big baby boomer rock stars maybe we've
talked about this we're actually born before the baby boom which starts in
1945 mmm all the big baby boomers were born like basically during the war 77
seven well year was he born 43 exactly he's bored born during World War two not
a baby boomer right it's not a baby boom if the war is still raging all of those
60s rock stars guys were born before that that's a great like all of their
all of their fans were like five years younger than them and were born in like
the late 40s or early 50s yeah but they were all like a little bit older you
know how we talked about what was it Donald Trump Bill Clinton George W Bush
were all born within like three months of each other right that was some real
freaky Illuminati type stuff they were all born 1943 no they're born later I
think I think they're born in like 46 or 7 I think they're baby boomers 46 oh
they're born 46 okay so the president's are all baby boomers the rock stars are
all like weird war babies war babies yeah Jerry Neil young Jerry Garcia Jerry's
42 I think the stones like they're all born in the early 40s it's real weird I
bet you could probably chart that somehow like sometimes with cultural
movements it's better to be born on either side of it or something mm-hmm
yeah Bob Dylan I'm guessing also early 40s what were you with Bob Dylan born
I'm gonna guess 43 or something 41 whoa it's such a cluster yeah no that's what's
like you have a captive audience of kids that are like five or six years younger
than you mm-hmm so you're like 22 and like you're back then you were you're
20 2021 putting out your record and all the kids are like 14 15 I think that
that's pretty standard pop culture stuff like actors it's sort of aspirational
you know like watching saved by the bell or something usually it's like four or
five you know years younger those kids watching that it's like it's a right or
more you know I'm just thinking of like something I would you know it's like you
start thinking of like who are the people watching like shows or listening
to music and yeah like putting pictures of them in your locker or whatever you
do it's gonna be just like three four years younger yeah yeah it makes sense
that whatever the people born between 40 and 45 are the type of people is in
terms of what really like coalesced in terms of like 60s counterculture kind of
came of age in the 50s probably found it pretty stiff they all like read on the
road blew their mind we're into the folk revival then they're into the Beatles it
really is like all the so many of these people a lot of them reference like some
of like the same stuff there's wasn't that much stuff so there was like 50s
beatnik stuff was kind of known as like the more extreme counterculture or like
jazz based counterculture stuff and then you get early rock and roll the blues
throw that together a little bit of country and Western folk revival it all
comes together no wonder these people kind of like connected I'm a 20 21 yep
and make it's written easy-sleazy now mix written easy-sleazy did you notice
he had a very pronounced English accent in this one yeah is he like doing like a
punk thing yeah like almost like a Johnny Rotten yeah he's getting back to
some stupid tickle dance oh yeah we didn't listen to it but the second verse
we got to go through that's a pretty mask but never take a chance tick-tock
stupid dance took a samba class yeah I landed on my ass trying to write a tune
you better hook me up to zoom see my poncy books teach myself to cook
actually we need another English number crunch is a ponce like a pretentious
person Mick is reading Proust and James Joyce you know are you just sees the man
shelf living what it's a man living off another's earnings especially a woman's
synonym of pimp well especially one hired as a bodyguard or trip I guess a
different maybe look up poncy cuz kept man I think that's okay Mary but you
know when I just looked at poncy one definition was pretentious or affected
so it's probably somehow interrelated Mick driving the tick-tock references
pretty wild
Oh
it's a strange piece of art but it's fun and it's very Mick it's very on-brand
that he's like he's been chomping at the bit very social guy a lot of the other
kind of boomer rock stars they got in the mix a little earlier I don't think
we ever listened to it but we talked about Van Morrison wrote a series of
anti lockdown songs well I want to get into that next yes please let's just
spend the whole episode listening to boomer kovat songs we could actually
that's just the best one you've heard I have actually heard the Van Morrison
song yeah I'm dying to hear it okay maybe now's the time wait sorry but hold
on yeah can we just move forward to the last verse okay verse 3 shooting the
vaccine Bill Gates in my bloodstream it's mind control the earth is flat and
cold it's never warming up the Arctic's turned to slush the seconds coming late
there's aliens in the deep state I love it he went there he went full Joe Rogan
or you know even beyond I mean I think it's a parody of that I'm assuming
because like Mick is too self-aware and savvy to like put himself out on some
like whack political stance that's gonna alienate people much like Van Morrison
did Van Morrison's sort of like and Eric Clapton are like I don't care about my
reputation I'm an old cranky guy F you but Mick is still like I'm in the mix
I'm hip I want to be liked it's not impossible to imagine Mick like you know
to his credit it's what you want from Mick but kind of almost being like maybe
this song could be a hit maybe it goes viral on tick-tock although he was a hit
was it a hit I mean you're talking about it I mean it's an NFT
block it we got a research that's another element that the song is an NFT
it's so weak how much of the NFT version of it go to for how much we find out I
bought a charity it is a charity oh I don't know if it's if the auction is
good so I went on sale last Thursday all proceeds from the NFT sale will be
divvied up between music venue trust a UK based charity nice for music venues
and National Independent Venue Association oh that's great
tight very cool gentlemen but also very curious how much that NFT is going for I
just feel like the NFT crowd and the easy sleazy crowd it's not the most
obvious intersection yeah I'm just picturing like the 22 year old crypto
billionaire you know this comes across their desk and they're just like what
who I don't think there's any public information right now about what it sold
for sold for 60 bucks
Nick was very disappointed it underperformed at auction no money went
to the charities make is like well mate it cost us at least two grand to make
the song man you know between a zoom or my premium zoom subscription you know
electricity mate it's wait I think I think I got it okay the auction the so
on a site called nifty gateway which I guess is Mick Jagger's profile for the
sale that's an NFT platform oh got it okay great okay so this is where you're
selling it $50,000 was the highest bid okay to an anonymous bidder
correct okay that was probably Mick Jagger
yes one question I have is when you hear about these big NFT auctions still know
very little about it like when you heard about the really expensive people one
they always reference that it's a crypto billionaire who bought it I wonder if
there's just like any super rich person who heard about NFTs and was like well I
don't have any crypto but I would love to have that new whatever like Taco Bell
one and they or if anybody actually just converted like USD into crypto just to
like get out of the market right like it's one thing if you have more more
cryptocurrency than you know what to do it it's another thing just to be like
just call your account and just like I'm gonna need you to buy me a three million
dollars of aetherium right now because I got are you sure cuz the markets real
hot it might cool off at any second we'll see
shout out to Mick Jagger solid song okay so classic Mick he's more he's excited to
party lockdown has probably been very boring for him but he's not getting in
the mix too early although this would have been a tight song to drop just like
in the middle of lockdown maybe he didn't quite have enough material that
would have been fun like well I think pre vaccine rollout it would have been
weird to drop this because you know like last summer like it was unclear what the
vaccine timeline was it would have been like someday we'll get out of this and
part right might have gotten some heat so yeah maybe we finally need to dive in
I can't even imagine what this sounds like dive into the Van Morrison oh yeah
before we do yeah Ezra if Mick gives you a call or his people reach out yeah to
your people and they want you on easy sleazy yeah how do you respond I would
just say you got the wrong guy I just don't think I'm bringing anything to the
project I'm not even like being trying to get out of it like Mick you're an
absolute legend I worship you huge fan of everything you do but I just kind of
be like you know what I would probably take the easy way out and say just like
maybe I could contribute some lyrics again Dave Grohl he like he can play
everything he's the classic rock dude he probably had a blast like putting the
music together that wouldn't be me you talking about a remix are you talking
about like hypothetically the original I like I was I was thinking original I
like the idea of he approaches Ezra for the remix slightly longer multiple guest
verses different be Danny Brown Danny so we got a lot of material to get through
folks Van Morrison released a three-song EP about the lockdown and then later
Eric Clapton the concept of a Van Morrison EP and then after the EP Eric
Clapton was releasing a song called stand and deliver and he asked Van
Morrison to jump on it with him probably because he knew they were like-minded
what's the first song on the Van Morrison EP stand and deliver is that it
well no that's the Eric Clapton one let's see the hear the song that kicked
it off let's go to the Van Morrison yeah the EP listen to it oh well there's a
song called no more lockdown pretty straightforward direct
no more lockdown no more government overreach
no more fascist police disturbing our peace
no more taking up our freedom and our God-given rights pretending it's for our
safety when it's really to enslave
who's running our country who's running our world. His voice sounds pretty good.
examine it closely and watch it unfurl. So it's very conspiratorial. No more lockdown
no more threats
no more Imperial College scientists making up crooked facts. So he just
doesn't even believe in it he's full on the train of like this is like a global
world order that wants to control people
no more celebrities telling us
telling us what we're supposed to feel
no more status quo. Is that much of a reach for Van? I mean he was always sort of like a new agey
like just connect with your inner life and like it's not a far leap from like
60s spiritual guy like Astro Weeks to like distrusting major institutions and
like being paranoid 50 years. It's not that much of a leap. Well he says the
Imperial College scientists are making up crooked facts. He's just asking
questions. Play Born to be Free. I want to get a little more understanding of his
point of view.
This sounds good. Built 60s throwback.
Well will the birds in the trees know something we can't see?
Does he know we were born to be free? Pretty normal so far. Don't need the
government cramping my style. Give them a lynch they take a mile. Take you in with a
phony smile. Wouldn't you agree? I mean yeah this could have been from the 60s.
Pretty normal. It's not normal. It's no kind of normal at all.
Everyone seems to have amnesia. Just trying to remember the Berlin Wall.
Some kind of new old ideology. A weird new psychology.
But it's not for the benefit of you and me. No no no.
Pretty classic vibes. Aren't you just waiting for the other shoe to drop like
the SNL sketch when then he just starts talking about the government and the alien flying.
It just gets crazier and crazier.
New normal is not normal. The new normal is not normal. It's no kind of normal at all.
We all agree with that Van. It sucks. COVID sucked. Lockdown sucked.
He's coming at it from a very paranoid worldview. Yes.
I'm not trying to scam anyone here man. There's a bad pandemic. We gotta lock down for a while dude.
These songs are pretty vague actually. They're not as specific as say Easy Sleazy.
I wonder if... You make a good point Jake. Like he's a 60s kind of searcher dude.
It's understandable that he might question authority and not like certain elements of...
I think you need to listen to the next one. Okay maybe this is the one that's gonna put it all together.
Let's go to the next one. To really get the context. Yeah. Okay let's go there.
What's this one called? As I Walked Out.
Sounds great.
As I walked out, all the streets were empty.
The government said everyone should stay home.
Then they spread fear and loathing and no hope for the future.
This is like based on... This is like Streets of Laredo.
Well on the government website... Streets of Laredo.
That's cool. He's taking an old melody.
I like him citing the website.
Why all the media outlets and the government lackeys.
Why is this not big news? Why is it being ignored?
Why no checks and balances? Why no second opinions?
Why are they working and why are we not?
Why are they working and why are we not?
Maybe Van Morrison was really feeling for his organ player.
That dude was just like, "Van, lockdown's killing me, man."
"You got any work for me?"
He's like, "Alright, I'll write some songs."
As I walked out, the streets were all empty.
His voice sounds great, I gotta say.
I wasn't under the mistaken impression that his voice had gotten really weird as he got older.
He sounds excellent.
No hope for the future.
Not many did question this very strange move.
I wonder if this is just one take.
Probably.
This is real street busker vibes.
Oh yeah.
I guess I would ask him, "Dude, you seem to be insinuating this is some crazy huge conspiracy."
"These people that are running the government didn't benefit from everyone staying at home and the economy eating s***."
"Who's benefiting here?"
I guess that's what I would ask him.
I'm sure somebody could make a good case for who's benefiting.
It doesn't mean, obviously, it's a big question if it's a conspiracy.
You've probably seen somewhere people have these charts where they're just like,
"The 1% added this many trillion dollars to their wealth and the bottom 50 lost this much."
That would have happened regardless.
It might not have been quite as fast without COVID.
But it seems like the more sophisticated take is like,
"Okay, so then were there certain measures in place that allowed that to happen?"
"Were there certain things the government could have done that could have stopped this huge transfer of wealth?"
Maybe there are reasonable questions to ask.
But he's not really getting into the weeds on it.
Because it's very hard to make the case that the government should not have done anything.
Right. I mean, it was a novel virus.
No one knew anything at that point, basically.
"But on the government website from the 21st of March..."
That's the best part of any of these songs is the government website.
Also, he could have had a more interesting artistic way in.
I will say that I like that he's getting into some classic old school 60s van.
Pretty tasteful.
I mean, they're more tasteful than "Easy Sleazy."
I mean, I like "Easy Sleazy," don't get me wrong.
I mean, this could have been an outtake on "Moon Dance."
"But on the government website..."
They released the "Moon Dance" outtakes.
There's a song called "Government Website." It's very mysterious.
You didn't have a lot of people talking about websites in 1969.
Yeah, he had it originally in the track listing right after "Into the Mystic."
And it just wasn't working, so he cut it.
"Government Website" is kind of GBV, too.
"Government Website!"
I know there's a GBV record coming out called "Before Computers,"
which I have to say is a compelling title.
Very compelling. That seems worth checking out.
All right, we made it this far.
I guess we got to check out one last song, the Eric Clapton one featuring Van.
What's that called?
"Stand and Deliver."
So that means Eric Clapton was just hearing these and being like, "Hell yeah, Van."
Is this Eric or Van singing?
I guess Eric?
"Not a word you heard was true." Okay, that's pretty extreme.
This song is performed by Eric Clapton and written by Van Morrison.
Okay, interesting.
It's the easy sleazy.
Van was just like, "Eric, I got one extra song. It didn't make the EP, but I could really hear you on it."
"Do you wanna be a free man? Or do you wanna be a slave?"
"Do you wanna wear these chains until you're lying in the grave?"
Why are the artists doing all the COVID songs from the UK?
That's a good question. I mean, did they have more hardcore lockdowns?
Yeah, I guess.
I don't think so.
I think it's ordinary old millionaire pre-Boomer rock stars.
What year was Clapton born?
I'm gonna guess '43.
"I just wanna do my job playing the blues for my friends."
'45.
He's '76.
Wait, but what month?
March.
Okay, he's not a Boomer.
Boomer might have started in '46, because the war ended in August of '45.
So it would have been like, everyone got pregnant in September or October of '45, and then everyone was born in '46.
Okay, but that was the whole war. What day was V-Day?
That was like June of '45.
Wait, like when they raided the beaches of Normandy?
This is the worst of the songs.
Oh, D-Day.
This is the worst.
I think it ended in August of '45.
No, V-Day is when the Nazis collapsed, and V-J-Day is when Japan surrendered.
Okay, yeah, maybe Japan was August. Maybe Nazis were a little bit before that.
Either way, Clapton is not a Boomer. He was born in March.
June 6, 1944 was D-Day.
That was D-Day.
All right, what's the next question? Did his father serve?
I'm listening to some tasty Clapton Blues riffs, looking up on Wikipedia, "Did his father serve?"
This is so good for this conversation, but this is literally my least favorite kind of music.
Right? I mean...
Oh, it's terrible.
Boomer Blues?
It's the worst. Boomer Blues.
I mean, this is like, you're at the hotel bar, and there's guys playing blues.
Seinfeld, "Did Clapton's father serve?"
Yeah, so his father did serve, and so did his stepfather.
He had two father figures who served.
Thank you for your service, Mr. Clapton and Mr. Stepfather.
Okay, enough of this.
That's rough music.
The song ends with Clapton singing Dick Turpin for a mask, too.
Who the hell is Dick Turpin?
He's an 18th century highwayman who wore a mask to conceal his identity while committing crimes.
Oh, that's kind of a good lyric.
Oh, you think it's cool to wear a mask?
Shout out to Van Morrison.
Dick Turpin wore a mask, too.
I hate to criticize a legend.
I know you hate to.
But Van, all four songs are so similar.
They're basically all saying, "You can't trust the government. What's up with this lockdown?"
Van Morrison is a very talented songwriter.
Think to some of those beautiful, long songs on Astral Weeks, or even before that, the kind of long, blues, epic TB Sheets.
That's like a 10-minute song.
I love late '60s, early '70s Van.
St. Dominic's preview record, "Two Below Honey."
There's really nothing like it.
Beautiful albums.
I'm willing to believe he knows a lot more about COVID than just that you can't trust the government.
So, I would have loved to hear his, like, you know, 20-minute murder most foul about COVID.
That would have made such a big impact.
Rather than four songs spread out between two artists, Van just came in and was like, "Boom. Here's everything I gotta say."
And he got into his poetic sh-t, like, you know, picture like the, "do-do-do-do," like, kind of sweet thing vibe, Astral Weeks.
And just like, "You know, on the government website, on the government website, the government," you know, like, he could just really, like, let it cook.
That would have been cool.
I wonder what Bob Dylan thought of this stuff.
You know he checked it out.
Well, you know, we could think again about murder most foul.
'Cause, wait, did murder most foul come out during COVID?
I think it did.
Yeah, it was like a year ago, man.
It was like early COVID.
Right.
March 27th.
It's very possible that he, well, he'd, apparently he'd recorded that song a long time ago, but the timing was interesting.
Yeah.
So, I mean, you could say a lot of people believe this. Bob Dylan was like, kind of the craftiest and wiliest of them all.
Maybe Bob Dylan saw the lockdown happening and he shared that same kind of conspiratorial boomer sentiment as his friends and colleagues.
But rather than just say you can't trust the government,
Bob Dylan made an oblique commentary by talking about the JFK conspiracy.
Oh, wow.
That's a great read, dude.
Bob just, like, hits up, like, he's like, "Hey, Tony, remember that JFK song I did?"
He's like, "Yeah."
He's like, "You got that on the hard drive?"
And he's like, "Yeah."
He's like, "All right. I think this would be a good week to drop it."
You got that on that Dropbox file?
The link expired. Can I listen to that again?
Government website sounds more Dylan than Van Morrison.
Well, Dylan definitely would have done the 17th.
He definitely would have done the 17-minute government website.
The government website!
But remember, we went deep on Murder Most Foul.
Man, I'd love to listen to Murder Most Foul again.
Really fascinating song.
But, you know, what did he say? Some sh*t in it that's kind of like,
it was like the greatest trick the world had ever seen or something like that.
Something to the effect of, like, this was pulled off in broad daylight, but no one saw a thing.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, the greatest trick, magic trick anyone's ever seen.
I still think about that idea that Bob Dylan, and again, maybe we're giving him too much credit,
but it's still an interesting way to think.
The idea that people pick these huge defining events as something that shifted culture.
COVID is a slow, painful one, compared to an immediate assassination or an act of terrorism like 9/11.
But it will go down in history as one of those major turning point ones that changed everything.
Changed culture, changed technology, sped up inequality, whatever.
And it is interesting to think that for Bob Dylan and his generation,
it all kind of started with, on some Adam Curtis sh*t, it all started with the JFK assassination.
It was like, whoa.
And again, this depends on what you believe.
If you believe he was just killed by one person, and Jake has actually done original research at Dealey Plaza in Dallas,
so I trust you, Jake.
Well, I don't know. I'm very agnostic on the JFK assassination.
But all I'll say is when I was in the window looking down onto the spot where Kennedy was shot,
it did seem remarkably close.
Right. You don't have to be a sharp shooter.
All of the stuff with the three shots within a certain amount of time, I'm very agnostic.
I'm open to all.
Whether you believe it was a conspiracy or even just an emotional moment.
It was a turkey shoot!
Even just an emotional moment where people felt like, wow, you can't trust anything.
Things can change.
The idea that, again, Bob Dylan, in the time of COVID, decided to go back 60 years-ish to that event,
and felt like this is the moment for me to talk about that,
as if that was a turning point moment that we're still in,
again, so much more interesting than just saying you can't trust the government.
And that's why Bob Dylan--
There's an article--
You're our Boomer of the Week.
Or no, you're a pre-boomer of the week.
There's an article on the HuffPo, or the Huffington Post,
that says Bob Dylan responds to coronavirus with a song about the JFK assassination.
So, I do feel there's other people on your wavelength.
And it was so early and during COVID that it was like--
It was like week two.
Man, I'd love to know what that conversation was.
Was Bob just straight up-- he just looked around and was like, "Now's the time."
I mean, he's probably going to release an album that year anyway, but who knows.
'Twas a dark day in Dallas, November '63.
A day that would have haunted him for me.
President Kennedy was a right lie.
Good day to be living and a good day to die.
He led to the slaughter like a sacrificial lamb.
He said, "Wait a minute, boys. You know who I am."
"Of course we do. We know who you are."
Then he blew off his head while he was still in the car.
Shot down like a dog in broad daylight.
Was a matter of timing and the timing was right.
You got unpaid debts?
We've come to collect.
We're gonna kill you with hatred without any respect.
Okay, we made it through a lot of boomer rock songs, but Jake just found one that we can't ignore.
So before we get to the top five, let's throw this one on real quick. You want to introduce it, Jake?
It's called "This Too Shall Pass."
Mike Love featuring John Stamos.
I mean, we are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here, but we...
Let's just go to some dark aesthetic territory.
We all remember when school was out.
Was a cause for celebrations.
Nobody ever even thought about closing down entire nations.
Washing hands, preparing the mess.
And it's not even Halloween.
Shaking hands is a thing of the past.
Due to social distancing.
People are wondering how long it'll last.
As the saying goes, "This too shall pass."
Well, I believe the best is yet to come.
So let's get back to having fun, fun, fun in the sun.
Okay, this is a little more posi-core.
Yeah.
He's like, "This sucks. This is a bummer."
So when did this come out?
Oh, this is like May last year.
This is like the original "Easy Sleazy."
First responders and the National Guard.
Doctors and nurses all working real hard.
Right on, Mike.
It's kind of like a viral Super Bowl.
So do unto others what's good for the soul.
All 50 states with a unified goal.
God bless America, that's how we roll.
People are wondering how long it'll last.
As the saying goes, "This too shall pass."
Well, I believe the best is yet to come.
So let's get back to having fun, fun, fun in the sun.
I love the phasing on those "fun, fun, fun" harmonies.
This is pretty inspired, I gotta say.
We're turning lemons into lemonade.
Just be cautious, don't be afraid.
Oh, it's John Stamos on drums.
Probably harmonies, too.
The sooner we do, this pandemic will end.
Stamos has a weird career.
Full House and the Beach Boys drummer.
I still don't understand.
That's a weird career.
He met the Beach Boys on Full House, and then they hired him?
Or he had a pre-existing--
Is that what happened?
Or did he know them already, and that's why they came on?
I remember there was an episode of Full House with the Beach Boys in it.
Yeah, it's classic.
And it was like--
Did he bring them on because he already knew them from playing music?
Right.
Was Brian on that episode?
No, I don't think so.
Well, actually, what am I saying?
Maybe he could have been.
Mike Love became friends with John Stamos
back when John Stamos was on General Hospital in 1982.
According to Love, the beloved actor had always been a huge fan
and was even the main ingredient behind the Beach Boys movie getting made,
as well as the 2000 TV miniseries he produced both.
So basically, he was a soap opera star that met a Beach Boy.
They hit it off.
And was just like, "Hey, dude."
"I'm a big fan."
You know, Dennis Wilson just died two years ago.
His solo record from '80 is amazing.
I wonder if Mike Love--
or if John Stamos really knows the deep Beach Boys stuff.
You know, the Beach Boys Holland.
Beach Boys love you.
Well, you know something?
If we're going there, I've always found this interesting.
As I recall on Full House, there's an episode--
I don't know if it involves the Beach Boys or it involves him and his band.
They have a hit song.
And the song is an old Beach Boys song called "Forever."
♪ If every word I said could make you laugh ♪
♪ I'd talk forever ♪
Wait, bring that up. That song rules.
Yeah, it's a great song.
So anyway, in the episode, they use that song to be Uncle Jesse's hit.
And he gets big in Japan and all this stuff.
So, you know, I remember being a kid seeing that and being like,
"This is kind of a good song that somebody wrote for Full House."
And then getting older and realizing,
"No, this is a deeper Beach Boys song."
Like, it's on Sunflower or something.
Yeah, one of those records.
♪
If John Stamos actually picked this, he was like,
"Yo, we should do 'Forever' by the Beach Boys."
He's kind of ahead.
♪ If every word I said could make you laugh ♪
Who's doing vocals here, you think?
I don't know.
♪ I'd talk forever ♪
It's not Brian.
It's Dennis.
Oh, dude, Dennis.
Ezra, are you into that Dennis record, "Pacific Ocean Blue"?
I've never gone deep. I know people always talk about that.
Dude, that record rules.
I listen to that record more than I listen to the Beach Boys.
Really?
It lasts like three or four years.
I'll check it out.
I listen to that record on all the time.
There's some clunkers, but the bulk of that is just beautiful ballads.
♪ Forever ♪
♪ I've been so happy loving you ♪
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
♪ Together, my love ♪
♪ Let the love I have for you ♪
♪ Live in your heart and be forever ♪
♪ Together, my love ♪
♪ Forever, forever ♪
♪ I've been so happy loving you ♪
♪ Baby, baby, save my baby ♪
♪ Baby, save my baby ♪
♪ Save it, save it, save my baby ♪
♪ Baby, baby, save my baby ♪
♪ Can I love you more? ♪
♪ Love, love, love, love, love, love ♪
Yeah, beautiful song.
The origin story of John Stamos meeting the Beach Boys, it's actually quite a story.
Hit me.
So when he was on General Hospital in the early '80s, he went to a Beach Boys concert,
but he got recognized and chased and ended up hiding backstage where he ran into the band.
The show was over.
They were still going to do the encore.
This is him talking on the Kelly Clarkson talk show.
And these cheerleaders chased me backstage.
Band co-founder Mike Love turns to my friend and says, "Who's that?"
And he says, "That's John Stamos.
He's on General Hospital, and he always has girls chasing him."
And Mike Love, without missing a beat, says, "Get him on stage."
All's a showman.
Yeah, Stamos then got on stage, played with the band on Barbara Ann,
and they've been friends ever since.
I didn't even know if he played an instrument.
I guess Stamos left some.
I said, "Get that guy on stage." Stamos was like, "Whoa!"
And he's like, "All right, what do you play, Stamos?"
"Get him behind the kit."
"I can hold it down on the drums, all right?
Barbara Ann, one, two, three, four."
Imagine if he actually just sucked on the drums.
It was just like, "Doof, doof, doof."
It was like the clumsiest version of Barbara Ann ever.
That's a legendarily bad show for the Beach Boys.
Stamos' first appearance, dude.
You can find that on archive.org.
First Stamos, Barbara Ann.
All right, time for the top five.
It's time for the top five on iTunes.
So we were thinking for the top five this week,
we get back into some country.
That's always fun.
We haven't done country in a while.
And we're going to do a full comparison, old and new.
We're going to compare the top five country hits right now
to the top five songs on the country charts in 1964.
Why 1964?
That was the first year that Van Morrison put out a record with them.
"Here comes the night."
And then the Stones put out their first record in '64.
And I think Eric Clapton put out a record with the Yarbroughs in '64.
So that's when things were getting cooking.
Things were really getting cooking.
So all our pre-Boomer rock stars--
Coming out swinging in '64.
Exactly.
The number five song this week on the country charts in 1964,
Hank Williams Jr. with "Long Gone Lonesome Blues,"
a song originally written and performed by his father, Hank Williams.
Wait, Hank Williams Jr. already had a career going in '64?
Maybe he was just starting.
That's crazy.
Yeah, because he really came into his own in '70s and '80s,
the big beard and stuff.
Yeah, that's wild.
Yeah, he was born in '49.
Okay, he's only 15.
Wow, his dad died in 1950.
♪ But when I got to the river ♪
♪ So lonesome I wanted to die ♪
Oh, and he's really doing some old school country.
♪ So that I could see the river ♪
He's just doing his dad.
So he was 15 here?
Weird.
♪ She's long gone now ♪
♪ I'm lonesome blues ♪
Great singer.
Yeah, a 15-year-old?
Yeah, he sounds older.
It's funny, the '60s string orchestration over the 1940s-style honky-tonk stuff.
Yeah.
It doesn't quite work.
♪ But my old post is done, left, and gone ♪
♪ She's long gone now ♪
It's hard to do.
You know that Hank Williams died in the back of a limo on New Year's Day, 1950, I think?
Damn.
Oh, so Hank Williams Jr.
He was 29.
God, so his son really never knew him?
Never knew him.
Oh, that's brutal.
And he wrote hundreds of great songs before he was 29.
Wow.
And he had this messed up back.
He had a real back problem, and he was on pain meds.
Geez.
And he was a huge drinker, and just bad combo.
Damn.
And he played a gig New Year's Eve and then died early the next morning in the back of a car.
God.
Isn't that so messed up?
Yeah.
Heavy.
Great song, great singing from a young Hank Williams Jr.
The number five song-- I wonder if with country this is going to be crazy whiplash, the sounds.
Oh, I'm sure.
It's going to be wild.
Or maybe not.
The number five song, Luke Combs, "Forever After All."
Don't know much about him.
I know he's a major dude.
[MUSIC - LUKE COMBS, "FOREVER AFTER ALL"]
This is way louder.
I heard some Matchbox 20 today, and I was like, Matchbox 20 paved the way so deeply for modern country.
Totally.
I'm sure there's so many Nashville dudes that probably love Rob Thomas.
I mean, he is a great songwriter, but even the vibe of the music.
Just that intro.
I mean, that intro was so Matchbox.
[MUSIC - LUKE COMBS, "FOREVER AFTER ALL"]
[MUSIC - LUKE COMBS, "FOREVER AFTER ALL"]
[MUSIC - LUKE COMBS, "FOREVER AFTER ALL"]
Oh, this is a wife song.
Yep.
You could write a generic love song, and not to say it couldn't be done, but my wife's
impact on my life has weighed heavily on the outcome of these songs.
OK.
It's a wife song.
That's such funny phrasing.
My wife's impact on my life has weighed heavily on the outcome of these songs.
Very strange.
All right, pause it for a second.
I think we were kind of talking over the first verse, but the lyrics are pretty tight.
A cold beer's got 12 ounces.
A good truck's got maybe 300,000.
Generous.
You only get so much until it's gone.
Wait, that's how much a good truck weighs?
No, no, no.
300,000 miles.
Miles.
Like, after that, you're sort of a beater.
Oh, OK.
That's pushing it.
300,000 miles is...
Oh, I think he should have specified miles, because I thought we were still talking about
ounces from the first line.
A good cold beer's got 12 ounces.
Yeah, because you know, he's like...
A good truck's got...
300,000.
I mean, of course, yeah, that makes more sense.
Of course, you guys are right, but OK.
You only get so much until it's gone.
But still, I like that.
Again, it is amazing.
Like, good country writers, you would think, like, how much more could you say about a
bottle of beer and a truck?
I know.
Like, how?
How is there anything left to say in, like, whether it's a love song, a party song, and
then somebody's, like, sitting there, and they're just like, well, what if we talk about
the ways that, you know, a bottle of beer and a truck only last so long?
OK, how are we going to hit that?
Well, you could look at it numerically.
All right, damn.
Still squeezing something out of there.
What if you're drinking a Tallboy, though, dude?
It's like, a good beer could have 16 ounces.
It could have, you know, 22 ounces.
That's right.
Duracells and Imagolite.
That jumped out at me.
I heard him say something about Duracells.
Duracells and Imagolite, yeah, that doesn't last forever.
A needle drop on a 45 are the kind of things that only last so long.
OK?
Talking about records.
These are good lyrics.
Yeah.
Just straight up.
When the new wears off and they get to getting old, sooner or later, time's going to take
its toll.
True.
But then he and his wife are still together.
The way the moonlight dances in your eyes, just a t-shirt in the kitchen with no makeup
and a million other things that I could look at my whole life.
A love like that makes a man have second thoughts.
Maybe some things last forever after all.
They are really good lyrics.
When you really think about the logic, just imagine being, you know, the wife and he's
like, "You know, baby, I was thinking about something."
A good beer.
"There's something about us that's built to last."
And she's like, "Absolutely.
I feel that same way."
And he's like, "Because I used to wonder if we might have the shelf life of, say, a beer
or a truck or various other things that are not known to last forever.
But I think we could actually..."
She's like, "What the f***?
Baby, we're going to last longer than a couple Duracells and Imagolite."
Well, it's heavy though because it's like...
If you think about a 12-ounce beer as some sort of analogous symbol for a marriage, because
both are finite.
A beer you're going to consume within a few minutes.
A marriage hopefully will last decades.
And it's sort of like, "Okay, we've been married for eight years.
What is that the equivalent of?"
I've had three ounces of this beer.
I see.
Right.
If you scale it.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, this is like, "Hopefully we'll be married for another 30 or 40...
Another 40 years, 50 years."
Then the beer's getting a little warm.
So, this is like we're an ounce, two or three, hopefully.
Yeah.
Right?
If you look at the marriage as a beer.
Okay.
But very romantic.
Yeah.
New Mountain Brews song, "Marriage is a Beer."
Do you remember "Marriage is Work"?
Oh, yeah.
"Marriage is Work."
That'll be like the Mountain Brews marriage album.
Track one, "Marriage is a Beer."
Track two, "Marriage is Work."
Track three, just my wife.
Track four, "Government Website."
And you just throw in "Government Website."
It's kind of like, "Jake, what were you thinking with that one?"
You're just like, "You know, that was...
I'll be honest, it's not exactly a wife song,
but it's...
I had it lying around for a while since COVID."
The number four song, 1964 country charts, "Buck Owens."
My heart skips a beat.
Buck Owens is from Bakersfield, right?
Yeah, Buck Owens had a venue up in Bakersfield for years.
He died a long time ago, but...
But I think it's still open, Buck Owens Crystal Palace.
I think there is a Bakersfield Country Music Museum up in Bakersfield.
Yeah, yeah. Right, I've heard about that.
We've got to do a road trip up there.
Yeah, that'd be tight.
♪ ...where I'll be ♪
♪ Well, I did a double take ♪
I always thought a documentary about music in Bakersfield would be interesting
because in the '50s and '60s, it was the Bakersfield sound,
which is a classic sound.
Buck Owens, Merle Haggard.
It influenced the Byrds and Grant Parsons.
Then you jump forward to the late '90s and early 2000s,
and it's like corn.
New metal? Yep.
Yeah, and I think there's some interesting narrative there.
♪ I feel a trembling in my knees ♪
♪ And just to know you're mine until the end of time ♪
♪ Makes my heart skip a beat ♪
So is this like the Bakersfield sound is like the guitar stuff like this?
Well, I think it's like, you know how, remember on the Hank Williams Jr. song?
There's all that sort of ornate orchestration.
Oh, and this is like tougher, no strings.
This is just like bare bones, like bar band.
Right.
You know, this makes me think, because we're talking about '64 being the year
of the British invasion and all that stuff.
Obviously now country resonates in such a specific way
that people like country, they don't like country, whatever.
It's associated with such a specific type of person.
But I wonder like 1964, if you're just like a cool kid somewhere,
you know, this music is not that different than like British invasion rock and roll.
It's like the same elements, different swing.
But back then, if you were like, I don't know, from like suburban Boston
or something and you heard that, would you just be like,
"All right, that's like some country stuff."
And then you'd hear the Rolling Stones be like, "This is badass."
Would you hear that and be kind of like, "No, I like all this s***.
I like the Stones. I like them."
You know what I mean?
How close are those things on the spectrum?
I don't know if you were like a teenager if they were that close.
Because like the Beatles covered Buck Owens on the Help album.
They covered "Act Naturally."
I could be wrong here, but I feel like that was sort of like a cool,
like they loved Buck Owens, but maybe their fans weren't hip to that.
Wouldn't have been as hip.
It was sort of like a weird move.
Like, "Oh, the Beatles covered Buck Owens?"
And Ringo sang it.
It was kind of like a joke a little bit.
Oh, that Ringo gets to do the country song?
Yeah.
Wow. I didn't even know that.
Damn, that's like the perfect anecdote for my question about
early British Invasion rock and country.
The Beatles actually covered Buck Owens.
I bet if you were a little older, like in your early 20s, in the mid-60s,
and maybe you had listened to Buck Owens earlier,
and then like the Beatles came around and you were like,
"I'm hip to this," and then you could like,
you had more of like a wide-angle view of it all.
But if you were like a 13-year-old that like got into the Beatles
through Ed Sullivan, you might not have been hip to Buck.
Yeah, maybe just lived in a different world.
I mean, making Keith definitely into country.
All right, the number four song in 2021,
Jake Owen, "Made For You."
I'm guessing another romantic song.
This is about his partner, Erica.
The song is about being made for somebody,
and I definitely feel that Erica and I are made for each other.
Water towers are made for hearts and names
Friday nights are made for football games
Fallen leaves are made for falling in
Front porch steps are made for goodnight kissing
And I was made for you
Yeah, I was made for you
I love that he released it after performing it on The Bachelorette
in May 2020, which I did watch.
Oh, really? Did you catch this?
I don't remember. I do remember there were a couple
really awkward singer-songwriter interludes on The Bachelorette.
Yeah, I think they always do that.
And this was a full like product of quarantine.
We're kicking it at home.
We're on a Bachelorette text thread with a bunch of people.
2 a.m. was made for pissed off dads
What was that about pissed off dads?
It said 2 a.m. was made for pissed off dads.
It's just like, this is made for that.
I guess, yeah, you get home at 2 a.m., dad's pissed.
Dad's waiting up.
Now it's sort of upsetting things.
Right.
Or a song without a melody
The number three song back in '64, Jim Reeves' Welcome to My World.
I don't know much about Jim Reeves.
This was one of his last singles released before his death in July '64
in an airplane accident.
I thought you were going to say, Welcome to My House.
Welcome to my house.
Miracles, I guess
Still happen now and then
Now this is some old school, like, some real crooners.
He's so close to saying house.
Yeah.
I wish.
Leave your cares behind
Welcome to my world
Compare this to the Buck Owens.
Buck Owens is like way closer to rock and roll.
Yeah, way more energy.
Not so formal.
Knock and the door will open
Yeah, this is kind of a snooze fest.
Right.
If you're hearing this on the radio all the time,
I can picture being super psyched about the Stones and the Beatles.
Reeves was a gifted athlete and received a scholarship to play baseball
at the University of Texas.
He left school after six weeks to work in the shipyards in Houston,
but returned to baseball,
later on playing semi-professional baseball before joining the St.
Louis Cardinals farm team in 1944 as a right-handed pitcher.
He played in the minor leagues for three years before severing his sciatic
nerve while pitching.
All right.
I'm not mad at it, but you know,
I think there's much to say about this one.
I wonder if he died in a plane wreck going to like a gig,
like Buddy Holly style.
Yeah, I wonder.
Welcome to my world
I do like this piano.
For sure.
The spirit of the song is a little bit.
Welcome to my life.
Welcome to my life.
Yeah.
I mean, the truth is a bit of a snooze fest, not bad.
I didn't really look at the lyrics too much.
Welcome to my world.
Welcome to my world.
Once you come on in miracles, I guess,
still happen now and then step into my heart, leave your cares behind.
Welcome to my world built with you in mind, knocking the door will open.
Seeking you will find asking you'll be given the key to this world of mine.
I'll be waiting here with my arms unfurled waiting just for you.
Welcome to my world.
Very vague.
Yeah.
Honestly.
Yeah.
You know, welcome to my house.
I was just going to say that.
The thing about country music.
I think one of the things that I've learned is that you can't just
say welcome to my house.
The thing about country music.
I think one of its defining things is like the specificity of the lyrics.
And usually they stick hard to the metaphor, like the last two that we heard.
I mean, obviously this is a different era.
It's kind of like a mixed metaphor.
Welcome to my world.
Step into my heart.
Knocking the door will open.
So you're stepping into the heart in the world with a--
and you knock on a door.
I don't know.
It's no welcome to my house.
Well, welcome to my house is about coming to somebody's house.
And just popping champagne.
Back to the modern day charts, number three.
An old favorite of Time Crisis, Chris Stapleton with Starting Over.
This is a song that came out last year, and I guess it's kind of heating up again.
Is he an old favorite?
Well, I just remember we listened to him like real early on.
Tennessee whiskey.
Great recall.
Kind of long intro.
Not a fan of Chris Stapleton.
You're not?
No.
Well, the road rolls out like a welcome sign.
Ugh.
He can sing.
To a better place than the one we're at.
I find it very affected, very contrived.
Whoa.
Harsh words.
I've had all of this town I can stand.
[VOCALIZING]
It sounds very--
And I got friends out on the coast.
We can jump in the water and see what flows.
We've been saving for a rainy day.
I got to get these lyrics up, though.
Let's beat the storm and be on our way.
It don't matter to me wherever we are is where I want to be.
And only for once in our lives we'll
take our chances and roll the dice.
I kind of like this.
Is this used in a commercial?
Because I feel like I don't know any part of it
other than the chorus.
Yeah.
Starting over.
This might not be an easy time.
There's rivers to cross and hills to climb.
Some days we might fall apart.
And some nights might feel--
You know, I'm surprised, Jake.
I thought you might like-- it feels like a little bit
of a nod to some Rod Stewart.
I'm getting more into it.
It's true.
If Rod Stewart had recorded this song in 1971,
I would probably love it.
Some day we'll look back and smile.
I was reading somewhere recently,
like, Rod Stewart said he had one influence.
Yeah, what's that?
Sam Cooke.
Whoa, interesting.
He said, that's my only influence.
OK.
As a vocalist or just as an artist?
Yeah, yeah, as a vocalist.
OK.
Yeah, and I guess his voice is just so different
that he naturally brings a different texture to it.
That was interesting.
It's like, they both have kind of like a high rasp,
and they both have kind of like a light touch.
It's like forced but light but controlled.
I mean, Chris Stapleton has like a pretty heavy dose
of yarl to him.
Yeah.
And that's a tough sell for me.
I know I'm being like a annoying, like, picky music fan,
but that's where I'm at.
He's got a bit of a yarl.
You're not incorrect.
The number two song in '64,
Lefty Frizzell, Saginaw, Michigan.
Oh, cool.
I don't know anything about Lefty Frizzell.
What do you know, Jake?
I feel like he was, I could be wrong here,
but I feel like he was a Bakersfield guy again.
OK.
Great songwriter, and there's a pretty famous
Willie Nelson record, songs for Lefty,
which are Lefty Frizzell songs, which I know I'm sure you're familiar with.
Oh, right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right.
This is sung from the point of view of a working class son
of a fisherman from Saginaw, Michigan,
who falls in love with the daughter of a much wealthier man.
[MUSIC - LEFTY FRIZZELL, "I WAS BORN IN A FISHERMAN'S HOME"]
I was born in Saginaw, Michigan.
I grew up in a house in Saginaw Bay.
My dad was a poor, hardworking Saginaw fisherman.
Too many times he came home with too little pay.
I loved a girl in Saginaw, Michigan,
the daughter of a wealthy, wealthy man.
But he called me that son of a Saginaw--
I mean, I'm familiar with Lefty Frizzell because he did
like an incredible version of "Long Black Vale."
Do you know that song?
Yeah, it's--
The band covered it.
Yeah.
We're in Alaska looking around for gold.
Like a crazy fool, I'm a-digging in this frozen grounds of coal.
But with each new day, I pray I'll strike it rich.
And then I'll go back home and claim my love
in Saginaw, Michigan.
I wrote my love in Saginaw, Michigan.
I said, honey, I'm coming home.
Please wait for me.
And you can tell your dad I'm coming back a richer man.
Wait, Matt, throw in "Long Black Vale" by Lefty Frizzell
because it's like a super haunting, beautiful version.
[MUSIC - LEFTY FRIZZELL, "LONG BLACK VALE"]
Ten years ago on a cold, dark night,
there was someone killed 'neath the town hall light.
There were few at the scene, but they all
agreed that the slayer who ran looked a lot like me.
The judge said, son, what is your alibi?
If you were somewhere else, then you won't have to die.
I spoke, but not a word, though it meant my life,
for I had been in the arms of my best friend's wife.
She walks these hills in a long black veil.
She visits my grave--
I think he has a big influence on the Buck Owens and Merle
Haggard's for being pretty spare in his arrangements.
Nobody knows.
Nobody--
Such an interesting type of country voice.
Nobody knows.
I've seen my brother cover this a few times.
Whoa, really?
"Dirty Projectors?"
Yeah, but definitely doing the--
well, I've seen a few Dave acoustic solo shows over the years.
It's not like full band "Dirty Projectors."
And he definitely is doing the lefty version,
like not the band version.
--at times at night when the cold wind moans.
In a long black veil, she cries over my bones.
Wait, Matt, sorry.
Can you bring up the band version of this?
[MUSIC - DAVE AND THE BUCK OWENS, "DIRTY PROJECTORS"]
I love this version, too.
What album is this on?
I think "Big Pink."
Hmm.
Oh.
Years ago on a cold, dark night, there was someone killed.
Do you guys ever get on your streaming service of preference
and just sort of download--
Apple Music, you mean?
Yeah, on Apple Music and just get all of the covers or whatever,
all the rendition of one song.
Oh, yeah, sure.
Yeah, like some folk song or some old standard.
Or just like "Visions of Joanna."
Oh, are there a lot of "Visions of Joanna?"
Yeah, there are.
There's some really good ones.
Even just versions from "The Dead" and from "Dylan."
I love this version.
It's so different, but--
[MUSIC - DAVE AND THE BUCK OWENS, "DIRTY PROJECTORS"]
I had been in the arms of my best friend's wife.
She walks these hills in a long black veil.
She visits my grave where the night wind is well.
Nobody knows, no, and nobody sees.
Nobody knows but me.
The scaffold was high and eternity near.
She stood in the crowd and shed not a tear.
But sometimes at night when the cold wind moans,
in a long black veil, she cries over my bones.
She walks these hills in a long black veil.
She visits my grave where the night wind is well.
Nobody knows, no, and nobody sees.
Nobody knows but me.
Good vibe.
OK, the number two song on this week's country chart
is an old song re-recorded by Taylor Swift.
It's called "Mr. Perfectly Fine," parentheses, Taylor's version.
And I never really knew this original album,
but I'm sure people are aware of the story that all of her masters
were bought in a big deal.
She didn't have any say in it, so she decided she was going
to re-record all of her old albums.
And so she's starting with this one.
This was one of her-- I don't think this is her first album.
I totally miss this story.
So there was a big sale where her record label sold to Scooter Braun
and a bunch of investors all of her masters.
And because she had no say in it, she was like, all right, well,
I'm going to do that.
I'm going to re-record everything.
And for people who are not familiar with that side of stuff,
it's basically like-- historically, a lot of musicians have tried
to re-record their music.
Sometimes we've had it happen on Time Crisis.
We're listening to some old song from the '50s or '60s,
and there's suddenly some-- sounds weird.
And it's like, oh, somebody-- they re-recorded it because they wanted
to own the recording.
But obviously, it's a dangerous game, especially if you're talking
about something from back in the day.
You're never going to recapture it.
But it seems like, from what I've heard, she's having a lot of success
with these, so maybe the game's changed.
This might be the first true, successful re-record campaign.
A lot of times--
Well, maybe now it's easier just to completely replicate
what was there before.
This song specifically, just for clarity, is not an original.
This was from the Fearless Sessions, but it was never released.
So it is not being compared to any--
So no one's even heard the original?
Yeah.
Oh, OK, because I was really actually kind of--
I was kind of excited to compare and contrast.
The Rolling Stones have re-recorded Exile on Main Street.
Easy Sleazy was from the Exile Sessions.
So this is a song she wrote back in the day for this album,
but just didn't ever release.
2008.
OK.
Everything was right.
Mister, I've been waiting for you all my life.
Mister, every single day until the end, I will be by your side.
But that was when I got to know Mister Change of Heart.
Mister leaves me all alone.
I fall apart.
It takes everything in me just to get up each day,
but it's wonderful to see that you're OK.
Can we stop?
I'm very interested--
Can we compare?
I'm very interested to hear one old and one new,
just from the audio quality.
Is there any song you're particularly familiar with
that you have a history with, Ezra?
Yeah, let's listen to Love Story.
That was the first single.
So let's listen to the original Love Story.
We were both young when I first saw you.
I close my eyes and the flashback starts.
I'm standing there on a balcony in summer air.
Play Taylor's version now.
I read a review that they are nearly identical.
Look at those pizzicato strings.
We were both young when I first saw you.
This is pretty identical.
I close my eyes and the flashback starts.
I'm standing there on a balcony in summer air.
See the lights, see the party, the ball gowns,
see you make your way through the crowd and say hello.
Does her voice sound any more mature?
I feel like it has a slightly deeper--
A little bit, a little, maybe a little deeper,
but she's a pretty consistent singer.
Kind of like Van Morrison.
Yeah.
Very consistent vocalist.
I'm just lying on the staircase begging you please don't go.
And I said, oh, we all take these from where we can be alone.
I'll be lying on the staircase--
But she's essentially using the same technology
that she did in 2008, like computers.
Yeah, I'm sure they were using Pro Tools back then.
So it's sort of like--
Well done.
Yeah, I mean, there's no reason why anybody would reject
that version and be like, nah, it's just not the same.
The versions that we're talking about, which are always so tough,
like somebody who probably signed a bad record deal back in the day,
they had like, were one hit wonder 1968,
and then in like 1993, somebody came to them and was like,
you should rerecord it, and then at least you can make
a little more money, and they were just like,
all right, let's do this, and it's just, it's impossible.
It's so rough.
When we were hanging out the other day, Jake,
we had a conversation.
You and Hannah were talking about how you'd been rewatching
the Godfather movies last Christmas or something,
and I don't know exactly how this came up,
but I was just like, okay, Francis Ford Coppola's
10 years younger.
He tries to make the Godfather one in 1984.
How's that panning out?
Oh, right. Right. It's not--
I mean, the Godfather, to me, obviously, incredible filmmaking,
but it's so much about the look of the film, too.
Yeah, I mean, for whatever complex set of cultural aesthetic reasons,
you could not have made that movie in 1982.
This was made in '72, I think, '71.
Even if you were using the same cameras and stuff,
I just don't-- yeah, it's just--
an artwork is like a product of its time.
I guess the fact--
It's interesting--
Yeah.
I was going to say, it's an interesting analysis of Taylor
that she can replicate it so easily.
Right.
Her stuff is so sort of like--
I don't think--
I mean, I'm not a big fan.
I think it's very sterile, so it's sort of easy to replicate.
Well, no, I would say she's written many, many great songs,
very iconic artists.
I mean, the thing that I would say--
I actually don't think it reflects on her.
I think you made the call earlier, Jake.
It's the technology.
Anybody can do it.
Right.
It's easier than ever for anybody to kind of match stuff.
It would even be easier now to do a sound-alike of something from the '60s.
You get closer now than you could in 1992 just using plug-ins on Pro Tools.
True.
I think it's the technology and the thing that it makes--
So I really think if other artists wanted to do it,
they probably could.
I don't know.
Do you guys remember Def Leppard did this a few years ago?
I was just going to bring this up, Seinfeld.
Def Leppard did this?
Because I always think of Def Leppard when this topic comes up
because they re-recorded "Hysteria."
Matt, if you bring up "Hysteria" on Apple Music,
is it the original Mutt Lang production from '87,
or is it a re-record?
There's no way they're not going to have the original.
Well, Matt pulls that up.
I was about to ask this with Taylor.
Is she sort of powerful enough that she can get Apple to remove
the one that she doesn't own the masters for?
So when anyone goes and plays--
No.
How would you know?
It would be like Chappelle saying,
"Netflix, I don't want you to keep my show on the air,"
and they acquiesced and then they did a deal.
I think she could probably be powerful enough where she says,
"This is the version I want up."
It would be kind of a weird precedent because then technically,
if she doesn't own it, obviously it's understandable why it bothers her.
I think she probably did this because it gives people an option
and probably these will supersede the old ones.
The thought that I had too is that not only has the technology
stayed the same, but it's probably easier than ever
because we're in the endless cycles at the end of history,
as people sometimes say.
We're in the post-internet--
This is some Dean Kisic stuff.
Yeah, some Dean Kisic--
What if she just didn't even re-record it?
That's deep.
She just put it out and said, "This is my new version."
Dude, that is deep.
That's like a weird--
You know what that is, Nick?
Warhol messed up art prank.
That's actually Borgesian.
I know I say that all the time, but that's literally Borgesian
because one of his famous stories is about a guy just rewriting
Moby Dick or something.
Because he was this early kind of dude pointing to these weird ideas
of authorship and meta-concepts and the idea of just like
if you just sat down and wrote something word for word,
does it become--
Is there inherently something different because of the context?
But that would be pretty sick, Taylor's version.
Or if she did the--
Wait, who's the--
She did the Richard Prince argument
where they were just like, "You just recorded your old record."
And released it.
"You just did an eighth-inch jack out of your iPhone right into Pro Tools."
And she was like, "By doing that, I create a new mode of authorship."
Very similar to Richard Prince's Instagram paintings.
Well, yeah, because he would just print out Instagram posts onto canvas.
He wasn't even doing paintings.
They were just printouts onto canvas.
All right, do you have the Def Leppard?
Can we A/B Def Leppard?
There's three different versions of it.
There's Hysteria, Hysteria Super Deluxe Edition,
and Hysteria Deluxe Edition.
So there's actually three versions.
Does it say if there's a year--
Does it say if there's a re-record or a release date?
So there's-- It says release--
There's one that says August 3, 1987.
Okay, that's the original.
There's one that says--
The Super Deluxe Edition also says 1987.
And the Deluxe Edition says--
They all say 1987.
Well, maybe it failed so hard.
Yeah, they just gave up.
This is a very brutal Sonic assault.
Can we start all three versions?
Let's pick a-- Can we just--
Let's do Pour Some Sugar On Me.
Yeah, so here's the first version,
just the regular version.
Okay.
Step inside, walk this way,
you and me, babe.
Hey!
[laughs]
That's an insane vocal approach.
Step inside!
That's an amazing intro.
Yeah, we like a bomb, baby, come and get it on.
Living like a lover with a red-eye phone.
Looking like a tramp, like a video game.
Unless you want it, can I be your man?
Resonate, dazzle, and infatuate me.
Okay, here's the Super Deluxe version.
Step inside, walk this way,
you and me, babe.
Hey!
Sounds pretty similar.
[laughs]
Wait, it's not a re-record.
No, it's not a re-record.
Hold on, I gotta Google this.
You gotta find the re-record.
Let me see if I can find it, hang on.
Here's the Deluxe Edition.
Step inside, walk this way,
you and me, babe.
Hey!
What's he saying, "Dua-lee-pay"?
[laughs]
Sounds like he's saying, "You and me, babe."
Dua-lee-pay.
Dua-lee-pay.
Wait, what are we listening to?
Okay.
Oh my God.
This is the Deluxe Version.
I think this is all the same.
It's all the same, right?
It's remastered.
Wait, I'm trying to get to the bottom of this.
Def Leppard released a new re-recorded version of Hysteria
on this date in 2013,
ahead of their first Las Vegas residency.
Oh!
Oh, no intro.
Maybe they thought the intro was too hard.
So this is from 2013?
Sounds like he's saying, "Phone."
Gonna be up!
Yeah, so the fans were not feeling this.
It's just the uncanny valley, right?
Although this is not a million miles away.
Just off enough.
Okay, that wasn't terrible.
But what was the time?
How many years had passed since the original to the re-recorded?
Exactly, decades.
If you've been listening to Hysteria for decades,
and then there's a version that's slightly different,
it's gonna drive you insane.
There's no way that that's gonna work.
It's tough.
You gotta be at the end of history to pull it off.
Def Leppard was like 10 years too early.
Yeah, 10 years too early.
They should do it again.
They could recreate the 2012 one pretty well, I bet.
Do you think that they did?
We're having a hard time recreating the '80s,
but we're positive we could do a 2021 version of the 2012 version.
Did they lose the intro because the isolated vocals,
there's just no way to match?
Oh, 'cause their voices sound so different?
Yeah, I feel like maybe they--
Why didn't they?
I feel like they tried and they were just like,
"It doesn't sound good. Let's just cut the intro."
That's also crazy just to cut the intro for the re-record.
Step inside!
Wait, wait, wait. To your earlier point,
what if they just sampled the intro from the original track
and then what, they would have had to pay royalties
just for that one snippet to the original record company?
It would defeat the purpose.
They'd have to go to the same record label to clear it
and they'd say, "Go f*** yourself."
Would it cost less if the record label was like, "Sure."
'Cause they're not sampling the entire song.
I don't see it happening.
All right.
They had a very contingent relationship at that point,
so it was gonna be an uphill battle.
Okay, the number one song.
God, I love that.
The Borghesean nature of Def Leppard.
The number one song this week in 1964,
Johnny Cash, "Understand Your Man."
Cash borrowed parts of the melody from Bob Dylan's
"Don't Think Twice, It's Alright."
Oh, interesting.
This is five years before they collaborated
on "Nashville Skyline."
Oh, there it is.
This is part two.
Oh, it's like the same song.
Interesting, he said he played this to an audience in 2003,
and prior to playing it, he said he had not played the song
in 25 years.
Ooh, deep bust out.
That's real deep.
That's the cool thing about it.
It's like, "Oh, I'm gonna play this song."
That's the cool thing about a vampire show in 25 years.
Busting out.
We haven't played Hannah Hunt in 25 years.
That was the last song he ever performed
in front of an audience.
Oh, it was?
Yeah.
I guess one thing you can say about Bob Dylan,
because people always called him out,
because a lot of his early songs heavily borrowed melodies
from other stuff.
But he doesn't have songwriting on this,
so maybe he was like, "All right, do your thing, Johnny."
I can't say sh*t.
It's really such cool, weird music,
just like so little is happening.
Makes me think of the Taco Bell commercial
that we were talking about a few weeks ago.
Wait, what was that?
The Johnny Cash Taco Bell commercial.
Oh my God, yeah.
Wait, what was the Johnny Cash Taco Bell commercial?
It was like a dumb pun on cash, right?
And he appeared in it?
He's in it, yeah.
He's on camera in it.
1992.
Whoa, a '92 Johnny Cash Taco Bell commercial.
It might be worth listening to.
I think he's like--
Throw it on.
♪ Well, nobody has more choices for just a little cash ♪
♪ You can search the whole world over ♪
♪ And no matter who you ask ♪
♪ They'll say Taco Bell has more choices for just a little cash ♪
♪ You better make a run for the border, son ♪
♪ You better make a border dash ♪
♪ We're talking under a dollar ♪
♪ Nobody beats Taco Bell ♪
Wow.
♪ Where else you gonna get so many choices with just a little cash ♪
Great song.
Great performance by Johnny.
I mean, you think of him, Johnny Cash,
his reputation and the culture is one of the most badass,
authentic, uncompromising, true country stars.
I love it.
He's just singing the words, "Taco Bell."
Little cash.
He's in the commercial, too.
I love it.
But it's also--
They're using his name.
He's also like, "You can use my name."
The pun on my name.
Full integration.
He's an interesting character because he also hosted a television show.
And he was a full-on showbiz guy, clearly.
I just think by the standards of country,
he was like--
By the standards of this kind of fancy country world,
he was the rebel.
But yeah, he was like--
He's an older dude.
Yeah, he's not some punk rocker.
That commercial's kind of funny because they picked Johnny Cash
because they have a lot of cheap food or something, a dollar menu.
But it's this idea of where else can you get so much for just a little cash?
If his name was like dollar, it would make more sense.
There's many places you can get some food for a little cash.
There's something about--
It doesn't quite fit.
Yeah.
Or if his name was like little money.
When you come to Taco Bell, you only need a little money.
He's like, "At Taco Bell, you just need a little cash.
My last name's Cash."
And it's like, yeah, especially in 1992,
you would use cash to purchase food anywhere.
I'm failing to see what makes the Taco Bell cash connection unique.
If his last name was pocket change, it would be better.
Yes, because at Taco Bell, I don't know, 1992,
could you get a 49-cent taco or something?
It's 2 AM, you're walking through the drive-thru.
They tell you that it's--
The indoor dining is closed.
Sir, you need a vehicle to walk on through the drive-thru.
So you're telling me the dining room is closed.
And if I don't have a car, then I can't go through the drive-thru.
Well, how does that make any sense?
Is this Johnny Cash's COVID lockdown song?
Is that--
Yeah, basically.
--what's happening?
No, the drive-thru--
Sir, the dining room closed at 10 PM.
And now it's 1 10 AM.
Oh, yeah, this is just late night.
The dining room is closed.
All right, the number one song right now on the country charts.
This dude's trying to walk through the drive-thru.
Walking through the drive-thru.
The number one song this week.
I just have to say one thing real quick before you do it.
The commercial itself is so vibey.
It's so awesome.
It looks like a Jake painting.
It's of a TV.
They're filming a TV out in the desert.
And so you're just sort of pushing in on a TV with Johnny Cash on the TV.
It's really--
It's like a music video.
It's Borghesean.
Okay.
Everybody check that out.
The number one song this week on the country charts is Gabby Barrett.
It's called "The Good Ones."
Not familiar.
She said that her husband was the inspiration for this.
It's a lot of husband and wife songs.
All of them.
She's definitely got a post-Taylor delivery.
Or maybe I'm missing some of the shared DNA.
One of the songwriters and producers is a guy named Zach Kale.
Which is a cool name.
Kale.
K-A-L-E.
Oh, yeah.
It is interesting, Ezra, that at least three of the five songs are about someone's spouse.
Yeah.
It's not young.
It's not boyfriends or girlfriends.
Or partners.
Yeah, I wonder if that's a wave or if country's always been a little more like husbands and wives.
All these modern country songs, they're actually interestingly similar.
Where you're kind of just listing a bunch of stuff in the verses, and then the chorus is about the actual relationship.
So, he's a phone call to his parents.
He's a Bible by the bed.
He's the T-shirt that I'm wearing.
He's the song stuck in my head.
He's solid and he's steady like the Allegheny runs.
Or like the river.
Allegheny River runs solid and steady.
He knows just where he's going and he's proud of where he's from.
All right, she's saying that her husband's a good one.
Interesting line.
He's a phone call to his parents.
He's a Bible by the bed.
He's the T-shirt that I'm wearing.
I guess she's saying like he's just like a good dude who calls his parents.
And the dude has a Bible by the bed?
Or he's like as good as a Bible by the bed?
Yeah, I'm confused as well.
I mean, phone call to parents is like a funny thing.
Phone call to parents is like a funny opening line.
He's responsible.
Right, he's responsible.
Good relationship with his family.
And to Christ.
And I guess she's wearing a T-shirt that he gave her.
Second verse.
You'll know him when you see him by the way he looks at me.
You'd say he hung the moon.
I'd say he hung the galaxy.
Nobody does it better.
Oh, the way he pulls me in.
I've known a couple bad ones, but they led me all to him.
He's one of the good ones.
Okay, obviously we get with the song.
It's the phone call to the parents.
Interesting way to start.
But yeah, this kind of feels--
I already forgot the names of what we already listened to.
But this kind of feels like a gender-swapped version of
Jake Owen made for you.
Definitely something in the air over there in Nashville.
You know what's funny?
I feel like that first time we did that top five modern country,
it was like really strong.
All winners.
I'm not saying any of this is bad, but this is like a little samey.
Well, I feel like they were also like real party songs.
Like dudes just like pounding brews by the lake.
Yeah, maybe those will start kicking off in a couple months with summer.
We need some lake songs.
This is some like late COVID.
This is really domestic.
Oh, you know what?
Is this wedding season?
Is April classic wedding month or more May?
May, June.
Yeah, June.
Okay.
I think it's late COVID, man.
People have been like cooped up and they're appreciating their
domestic partnerships, man.
Not Mick Jagger.
He's ready to go out and party.
No one's hanging out on a -- no one wants to hear about people hanging
out on a floating dock.
But I do, and that's why I respect Mick.
Yeah, Mick just wants to go party.
Mick's like, "I'm ready to rage, dude.
I'm 79.
I don't care."
Mick's probably only got, you know, so many hardcore party years left.
Most of the people in their late 70s probably already done with the
hardcore party scene, but, you know, Mick's probably got a solid 10.
Well, he seems like a guy that really takes care of himself.
I think of him like he either doesn't drink or he drinks like four times
a year.
That's interesting.
Actually, you know what's crazy?
This is a weird memory.
When I lived in San Francisco, I did grocery delivery out of this
Whole Foods.
I think we've talked about this.
I used to see Kirk Hammett in the Whole Foods.
Uh-huh.
Well, so there was this occasional delivery of granola, weird
Whole Foods granola and I forget what it was, almond milk or something,
to the Four Seasons.
It happened a few times a year.
My boss was like, "Oh, dude, are you doing that granola delivery to the
Four Seasons?"
I was like, "Yeah."
He's like, "That's Mick Jagger."
Oh, my God.
I was like, "What do you mean?"
Whoa.
This is incredible.
How did this never come up before?
I don't know.
I was like, "What do you mean?"
He's like, "Dude, every time Mick's in town, it's a few times a year.
He stays at the Four Seasons downtown San Francisco and he just will
order granola from us."
I'm like, "Really?
How do you know?"
Was it the granola from the bulk with a shovel?
Yeah, it's just flax seeds and all this kind of stuff.
Right.
Today, Mick would just have his brands dialed in and somebody would just
go do a run for him.
Wait, what year was this?
Yeah, this was like 2005 or 2006 or something.
This is like prepackaged bulk granola?
You'd get it in a little container and it's like there's no real label on it?
Yeah, yeah.
It's like a whole food bag.
It's the Whole Foods.
Exactly.
Okay.
I wasn't doing the shopping.
I would come back and there'd be a delivery.
Usually, a grocery delivery would have been a few bags with a bunch of
stuff and this would just be one paper Whole Foods bag with just a bulk
plastic bag of granola in it.
Generic.
It was going to the Four Seasons and I was just like, people that would
extravagantly order just one thing.
And would you just leave it at the reception desk?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Of course.
It was just under some name at the Four Seasons, but my boss was like,
"That's Mick Jagger, dude."
Right.
Especially back then, I bet the delivery fee cost significantly more than
the item.
Just one bag of granola.
Oh, yeah.
For sure.
You didn't roll up to the desk and say, "You know, I would be very happy to
bring it directly up to Mr. Jagger."
[Laughter]
I did not do that.
I kind of thought my boss was full of s***, but I also thought maybe he was
-- I thought it was 50/50 he was right.
It was his company.
He must have been engaging with Mick's tour manager or handler or whatever.
Personal assistant.
It's not impossible.
No, it's not impossible.
Right, because this is a third party.
You're not working for Whole Foods.
Exactly.
I was working for ShopHoppers, which is a grocery delivery service in San
Francisco.
You'd call a phone number?
No, you would send an email.
I worked for this guy that was this blues guitarist guy in San Francisco.
Yeah, and he was a musician guy, but he had this company that he ran.
He'd been running since the '90s.
It was grocery delivery.
People would call or email grocery orders.
Do you think his musician background gave him a bit more of the inside track
as far as knowing that it was Mick Jagger?
Oh, yeah, it's like he knew the manager or something like that.
I don't know.
Maybe he jammed with Mick.
What was weird, his office was above this really cool old guitar store in San
Francisco.
One time I did meet Joe Satriani because I came back from a run, and then my
boss, Chris, was just hanging out.
I was like, "Oh, where are you, man?"
He's like, "Oh, I'm down in the guitar shop down below my office."
Then I went down there waiting for another order to come in.
It was just one of those crusty guitar shop style vibes.
He was just hanging out with this dude named Joe, and they were just talking
about guitars and gear.
He's like, "Oh, this is my buddy Joe."
I was like, "Oh, hey, I'm Jake.
What's up?"
We were just kind of hanging out.
Then later he's like, "Dude, that was Joe Satriani."
He's an old friend.
I was like, "Oh, cool, man."
Wow.
Joe Satriani.
I'm on the old shop hopper's website.
Oh, are you?
Oh, that's nice.
Our fees are generally between $25 and $45 for a shopping and delivery to your
house.
I mean, that's so expensive.
Because back then it was just so luxurious.
Yeah, this is a luxury operation.
Yeah, so Mick got a $4 bag of granola, throw down $40 for Jake's delivery.
Well, also, Nick, this entry was posted on October 11, 2013.
Oh, okay.
I wonder if he's still in business.
They're real behind the eight ball on that one, I think.
They can't be.
And Christopher Ford was your boss?
Oh, yeah.
They got a lot of competition these days.
Imagine if just somehow, easy sleazy, there's just a random shop hopper's
reference.
I can't wait to get back out, go to San Francisco, hit up shop hoppers
with my favorite granola.
Well, Jake, that's an amazing story.
Good note to end on.
I don't know if it's amazing, but.
It's an amazing.
If you're a fan of Jake, it's an amazing story.
Just Jake delivering the granola to Mick Jagger.
I think it's to Mick Jagger.
Perhaps.
When you throw in the uncertainty, 50/50, it does become a pretty
dislike.
This show rolls just like, yo, you know, Jake may or may not have once
delivered Mick Jagger granola.
Wait, why?
Because you saw him?
Well, no, just like a rumor at shop hoppers.
And he just left it at the front desk.
Oh, right.
So, but it could have been his boss who was buddies with Joe Satriani
told him it was for Mick Jagger.
Jake has no reason not to believe him.
Yeah.
Maybe one day you'll cross paths somehow and you can bring that up.
He might remember that **** and be like, oh yeah, it's crazy.
I used to drop $40 just to get my favorite granola in San Francisco.
That's a good, great note to end on.
All right.
We'll see everybody next time.
Shout out, Sir Mick.
Thank you for the music.
Time Crisis with Ezra Koenig.
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