Episode 169: The TC Music Industry Special
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Time Crisis, back again. In this episode we talk music publishing, performance
rights, the year 1969, and HUMAN, the double album. We'll learn so much about
the music industry and the culture. This is Time Crisis with Ezra Koenig.
Oh I'm snacking. Time Crisis back again. Sorry, I hope it's not too noisy. All right, I'll stop for now.
Were you snacking on those leftover megabytes or what? I do have some megabytes left. I've given
them to my son for snacks a few times but I made the mistake of explaining to him in painstaking
TC detail initially that these were gold larger goldfish marketed to grown-ups. So sometimes when
he's asked for like a fun snack as children do I'll be like oh what about these and I'll be like
those are for grown-ups. Like come on man just eat the megabytes. Now I'm eating Asha Pops,
a real LA snack baked and handcrafted in LA. Popped water lily seeds. Wow I don't know what the
hell that is. You see them at all the Erewhon and all like the kind of bougie LA supermarkets but
they're good. They're popped water lily seeds. Asha and Jay are a mother and son team. Seems
of a South Asian descent and brought this snack to the US. All right. They do it together like that,
a family business and they're flavored and they're I don't know they're crunchy, they're good.
Shout out to Asha Pops. I think it's a good snack. You don't see a lot of mother-son teams in the
snack industry. I feel like it's always brothers or father-son. Father-sons, maybe mother-daughters.
Sure. Just a mom and a son teaming up to do business. Ezra. Yeah. I have to hold you to
account a little bit. I was about to hold you to account on this episode. I wonder what you're
about to say. Well I'm going to say did you drink any Folgers in the last two weeks? Oh god I don't
even remember what I said. I said I was going to drink it for the next two weeks. Yeah you felt
like you had been a little hard on them questioning their claim to New Orleans being their hometown
and you said you know what I'm going to drink some. Thanks for reminding me Jake. I'll do it
for next episode. All right. Not only did I forget about that the instant after we wrapped the
episode in the last couple weeks I even went more hipster with my coffee. Been buying some sort of
like glass jar cold brew concentrate which I think tastes good. I've just been drinking the concentrate
ice cold in the morning. I thought you were lukewarm on cold brew. Yeah. It's too strong
for you. It's not it was never that it was too strong. I like it strong. I just always I still
consider most cold brew to be what I call sour diesel and there's so many times where I'll get
a cold brew from a coffee shop and I'll say no no this is that sour diesel. I don't like it. Yeah.
It's sour. It tastes weird. I don't know why this one brand I'm shouting out all these like little
brands today. I think it's called chameleon. I think there's a chameleon on the thing. It comes
in glass bottles and the concentrate it's not sour and I don't even like to dilute it. I like to drink
it. Gives me a nice clean high. A balanced brew it sounds like. You know what no are you getting
that at a Erewhon as well? And you're getting those popped water lily buds? You can get this all over.
I order it sometimes. Yeah you would find this at an Erewhon type place. You might even find it at
a more mainstream supermarket now that everybody likes all the same stuff. But Jake can I hold you
to account? Sure. Did you get the first birthday present that I sent to your daughter? I don't
believe so. Okay maybe it never even showed up. Wait hold on what was it? Well this puts me in an
awkward position because either it never showed up or it got swiped from your porch but now I'd
have to if I describe it I'll lose the element of surprise that's important. Well when did you mail
it? Should have gotten to your house last week. I'm gonna feel like an ass if you say what it is
and I'm like oh yeah. This is so specific that you would probably think of me when it came.
Was it not signed? Like there was no card? Man I don't know. What's the tracking number? Is there
a tracking number? Yes I need a number crunch. No no there's supposed to be a card. It was a
handmade crocheted plush toy. Do you remember receiving any handmade crocheted plush toys?
I don't think so. Oh man. Wait what did you send? It was a little stuffed crocheted forklift
for a small child to play with. A little forklift stuffy. Yeah I don't think we got that man.
All right Seinfeld you have to do some real number crunching and some detective work.
You know it's probably still on the way. Supply chain issues and whatnot. I wouldn't be surprised.
I think it said that it was delivered but I'll tell you what this wouldn't be the first time
that I sent a baby gift and then I found out that it had been stolen. Can I throw this in the mix?
Yeah. It probably was delivered and it might have gotten opened without me being there.
Very possible. And I'm not aware of it. I think that's probably the highest likelihood
is that it's in a pile of other stuffed animals and stuff and it's kind of lost in the mix.
No I don't think it's possible because if it came if your daughter received a crocheted plush toy
forklift that'd instantly become her favorite toy. She'd be playing with it 24/7. There's
no way it would be thrown in a pile of other toys. That is true actually.
Time is my life, no it hurts
What does it mean to take a glass and not get sweaty?
It's just one time, just one time, just one time, just one time, baby
Our summer sucks, it's been a week, we had a dancey whiff
Old lady full of nickels, full of nickels and dimes
Makes me tired, lose myself, lose my cash
But get real, I'm a sucker, and I'm a sucker for a woman
And it's easy to be a sucker if everybody in the city got a body
But can you eat something at all?
I'm a sucker for a woman
I'm gonna scour through her plush toys when I get home
I have a feeling it's there
I hope so
There is an epidemic of box stealing
We've had it happen once or twice
Not recently, knock on wood
Alright, well I'm praying that it's there
That was a very, um, kinda lightweight holding each other to account
Yeah
I'm glad that we both got something off our chest
Hey man, I wanted to check in with you about your New Year's resolution
You know, now that it's March, I'm pretty sure you said you wanted to drink more Folgers this year
Just wanted to make sure, you know, are you actually doing it?
Well, speaking of holding people to account, Seinfeld
What's the latest with Chet?
Oh, great question
Oh my goodness
Hanks Fit? Fit Hanks?
Well, truthfully, I've maintained the nutritional regimen
But I've been a little too busy to keep up with the burpees, is the truth
Which is to say that I have dropped a few pounds
You look a slim
Well, I mean, thank you
And right back at ya
But, you know, the exercise has dropped off a little bit
Due to the busy nature of my life at this current time
But I do think that Hanks' nutritional plan was a gift
I've been keeping up with it, and I feel great, I feel lighter on my feet
So, all is not lost, and thanks for checking in
I think let's circle back in the summer
I might be going full Hanks Fit again
But I am a little ashamed to admit that
But again, the fitness component
Which is one of the most important parts of it has slipped a little bit
Now, has he even hit you up?
Oh boy, well, now we're going a layer deeper
Because I did inform him
You know, here's what happened
I received an invoice
I said I wasn't able to keep up with, you know, the exercise part of the plan
And over text, he did not make me feel especially great about that
And I deserved it
I'm not trying to shirk that at all
But certainly he had a few words for me about, you know
Twitter's never win, that sort of talk
And I did say to him, you know, we'll...
Let's be clear
He wasn't busting your b*** just because he was losing a paying client
No
He's going to be absolutely fine without your money
Oh, for sure, yeah
He was busting your b*** because he was so...
Just kind of let down to see a fellow man not giving his all
Yeah, I think that's about right
And, you know, he...
I think the writing was on the wall because, you know, he has these weekend Zoom calls
And I wasn't showing up to those
So it couldn't have been a surprise when I dropped off
But you're right, I think, you know, it's just...
You know, he was just let down in general, not for losing the business
But just for my sake, on my behalf
So, yeah, you're right about that
But I'll be back, I'll be back in the Hanks Fit world
Okay, glad to hear it
We've really held each other to account here
All right, glad we cleared the air
Doing that mid-March check-in
A lot of promises are made in the early months of the year
They often go by the wayside instantly
Well, you know what I want to start with?
Because I feel like this has been on the docket for months
It's always getting punted because there's some hot news
Like, you know, the jury sign fell
Pop-Tarts movie is, you know, going into production
Which, by the way, you know, we were questioning if perhaps that movie's not real
It was part of some sort of elaborate tax scam or something
Or we thought there was something kind of strange about it
But I was randomly talking to a musician friend, I won't say who
Because this is their private business
And I was like, just making small talks
"Did you hear about this Pop-Tarts movie?"
And he said, "Oh, yeah, I'm writing a song for it"
And I was like, "Okay"
And they said, "Oh, yeah, I read the script"
"It's gonna be great"
So, who knows?
Is he writing like a jingle or like, writing a song?
Maybe it's like just a feel-good, like, never give up on your dreams
Kind of closing credits type song
I'll keep doing some research, but the movie is real, folks
Commissioning an original song for the closing credits?
Amazing
Jerry wants a hit soundtrack to the Pop-Tarts movie
You want to start with the catalogues
But anyway, yes, the music catalogues
Because, A, we did go pretty hard on the food last time
It's always gonna be part of Timecredits, as we said, somewhat controversial
But I thought we brought our A-game
But, look, at the end of the day, we're also at least 50% of Music Show
And we've never, I don't think we've talked about this too much on the show
But everybody's selling their catalogues
Maybe we talked about it with their publishing
But a lot of people are selling their master recordings
And I think whenever the last time we might have talked about it was
So many of the heavy hitters have come through selling stuff
Yeah
Bob Dylan sold it all
Bruce Springsteen sold it all
Neil Young sold it all
Yeah, it's big business
The numbers are staggering
Oh yeah, Paul Simon
All the big wigs
Sting
And then also as a music industry professional myself
I'm also hearing about ones that maybe aren't making the news
You know, more of like a mid-career artist
Who just decides to sell
This is happening as well
Well, I'm seeing that Killers sold all releases up to 2020
To Elridge Industries, price undisclosed
Whoa, I didn't know about that one
Killers?
Friends of the show, Killers
Yeah, mid-career
I mean, they're the only ones on this list that I'm looking at
That seem to be sort of contemporary
One interesting thing about it is
For a lot of the big names, the number
The price is in the news
So like Bob Dylan sold his entire publishing catalogue
To Universal Music Publishing
For an estimated three to four hundred million
And then he sold his master recordings to Sony
For another two hundred million
So Bob Dylan just walking away with a cool six hundred million
In the past year
When it says he sold the master recordings
Like he owned the recording of like
Blonde on Blonde and Blood on the Tracks and stuff?
Or are those still Columbia Records property, you think?
Well, that's a great question
Because my understanding is that
In the early to mid-sixties
It'd be highly unusual for an artist to sign a deal
Where they had ownership of the masters
Yeah
And obviously there's these famous stories about
The Beach Boys or, you know, somebody who like sold
All of their early amazing work
You know, for barely anything
With like zero interest in it
So it would be unusual
So I don't know what the Bob Dylan story is
But I will say
Sometimes you hear about these like big names
Who, when they made so much money
They went back in the seventies or eighties
And bought their masters back
Or maybe it reverted to them at some point
So I don't know, I mean
If Sony gave them two hundred million dollars
They must, there's no way
They were just like paying for his like eighties work
Right
As much as I love Joker Man
That's definitely a top five Bob song
Joker Man's not gonna be, you know
Raking in the commercial money
The way that like a blowin' in the wind would
I would think that the master recordings
Would be worth more than the actual publishing
But I don't know, I'm a
I don't know anything about this world really
Because I would figure you're gonna license the record
The song is great
And you hear someone cover the song
Maybe it's good, maybe it's not
But our cultural memory is attached to these recordings
Of these songs from the sixties and seventies
And if you're gonna use that in a movie or
Or an ad, that's the most powerful
Realization of that
Well, but in the case of a Bob Dylan
He's written so many songs
People have
On the really big Adele album
There's a Bob Dylan cover
What song?
Sounds like I get a number crunch
Adele covered
Make You Feel My Love
Is that right?
That's correct
What era is that from?
Matt, can we get up
Make You Feel My Love by Bob Dylan?
I believe that that is
It's one of the favorite late period Bob songs
I think it's on
Time Outta Mind
Like a late nineties Bob
Kinda sweet ballad
That's right, it's 1997 Time Outta
Gotcha
Outta Mind
Showing my ignorance of late period Bob
Are you familiar with that album in particular
Time Outta Mind?
No
I've just been getting into Oh Mercy
Which is from '89
I'm slowly working my way
You're almost in the nineties
I'm almost there
This is interesting
It was first released commercially by Billy Joel
Under the title to Make You Feel My Love
Before Dylan's version came out the same year
Like Bob showed it to Billy Joel
He's like, hey, check this song out
It's mine now
I have this memory of it
This album
Time Outta Mind being the last CD my parents ever bought
That makes sense
Like Tunnel of Love and Time Outta Mind feel like
Them trying to stay in the game
Great grown up albums
Yeah, but they're both great grown up albums by like
Iconic American artists
After their youthful periods
Who just sold their catalogs
And who are on Columbia Records
And there is no one there to die or tease
I could hold you for a million years
So this really sounds like an Adele song
Although one of the opening lines is about
When the whole world is on your case
Play the Bob Dylan version
Are you a fan of Time Outta Mind, Ezra?
You know, I've always been wanting to go deeper
Because the Dylan heads love it
I've thrown it on here and there
This kind of sounds more like he's covering Adele
You know what I mean? Couldn't you just hear like
Some headline just like
Weird Bob Dylan cover of Adele on his new record
And you like throw it on and it sounds like this
And you'd be like, alright
Alright Bob, interesting interpretation
And the evening shatters and the stars appear
And there is no one there to dry your tears
I could hold you for a million years
But I guess just to go back to the publishing
Versus the master distinction
Yeah, master recordings in the streaming era
I think maybe are slightly more valuable
But in the case of like a Bob Dylan
The fact that he wrote a song on Adele's gigantic album
Was probably like the most money
One of his late period songs raked in by a mile
You know, so like Bob Dylan is like often covered
And you know like there's that Rod Stewart
Forever Young where he had
He like realized he kind of ripped off Bob
And he gave him some publishing
And so I don't know
Also in the case of Bob Dylan
There's probably all this money coming in
From like weird surprising sources
Like blowing in the wind, being performed
Just the really old school stuff
Adele claims to have quote saved Bob Dylan
With the royalties earned from her single
Adele has claimed, this is in 2011
Adele has claimed that she quote saved Bob Dylan
With the royalties he earned from her rendition
Of Make You Feel My Love
The singer believes that the track
Which is expected to chart at the top five on Sunday
Will earn Dylan over one million in the next few months
And it is his second favorite version
After his own, she told The Sun
That's some classic Bob Dylan weird sense of humor
First of all, he's probably doing like a prank call
I mean there's no way Bob Dylan was saved
By one million dollars
Many people would be saved by one million dollars
I don't see Bob Dylan being that person
But I can picture him just kind of like
Almost giggling and like calling
He's like, hello?
Is this Adele?
She's like, oh my god Bob!
Bob Dylan, what?
Are you really calling me?
And he's like, yeah I just wanted to say
Thanks for covering that song
Damn I was about to go broke
I needed that million real bad
I was behind on my car payments
And they're being like, oh really?
Like okay
Yeah man, they're about to come take my van
Oh man
Yeah, it was pretty dark
Anyway, I just wanted to say great job
It's my second favorite version of the song
After mine
Have a good one
You know, and just so she doesn't seem
Give it some context
So she doesn't seem like a maniac either
Because you said, what do you mean saved?
I think Adele's also pretty funny
She said, look, someone told me the other day
That I killed Bob Dylan
With Make You Feel My Love
I actually think I saved him
But then he said, and this is funny
I reckon with the amount it's been played on the radio
It's worth a lot to maybe he'll buy me a watch or something
So I feel like she's being cute
Yeah, yeah
They probably had a very humorous discussion
Yeah, I mean, you know, in this day and age
Like back in the day
There were so many covers all the time
Like people always say that yesterday
The Beatles song has been like the most covered song ever
500 versions
And so in this day and age
If you're like a huge songwriter
It's kind of...
I don't know though
Even with Dylan, I gotta say like
Yeah, there's some iconic Dylan covers
But the bulk of his stuff
You remember the version that he did
I mean, someone might cover, you know
Desolation Row or something
But you're not gonna
It's not gonna make the impact
That his recording of it did
Every time Vampire Weekend drops to Joker Man Live
ASCAP is paying Bob Dylan
You save Bob Dylan
We save Bob Dylan
I reckon with all the times we've covered Joker Man
He might've made three to four hundred dollars
For real?
I don't know how it works
But I really should know better
One day we'll do a whole
Time Crisis Guide to the Music Industry
'Cause I'm a music industry professional
I've learned a thing or two
I probably don't know as much as I should
But so you know, ASCAP is a collections agency
It's not the only one
But it's kind of the most famous one
ASCAP
So it's a collections agency
Which means
As I understand it
They're grabbing payments for music
That transcend the master publishing binary
I mean, it's kind of like publishing
But there's little royalties
That you might not think of
That somebody needs to collect
From like music played in bars
Or on digital jukeboxes
There's all this like random stuff
And there is money
And I don't know
The music industry is so weird
Like sometimes I'll hear some story
Where somebody's like
I'll hear from like my management
Back in the day like
Oh yeah, we hired this agency in Europe
'Cause you had a lot of royalties
Just like, you know, sitting uncollected
You know, like a few thousand bucks in Hungary
500 Euro in Lithuania
That was just sitting there
You're like, wait, what?
And they're like, yeah
So you got to hire an agency
Goes and gets it
Why do they do that?
And it's like, well, you know, they take a cut
That's how you get it
It's weird
Well, hold on
Let's back up to Vampire Weekend
Covering Joker, man
Yes, OK
So you literally think
That ASCAP sent him a check?
Like so ASCAP
Collected money from the venue
Or from you?
From the venue
So the venue reports
The set lists to ASCAP?
This part sounds crazy, but this is true
This is mind-blowing
ASCAP, a lot of restaurants, bars
And particularly venues report to ASCAP
Wait, restaurants and bars?
Like if you're just playing music over the PA
You like have like an Italian restaurant
And it's like very low volume
And you're playing scenes from an Italian restaurant
At your Italian restaurant
At a very low volume
To the point where it's just more of just kind of like
Background ambient music
No one's even like really there to listen to music
They're there to eat the pasta
And the bread
Have a bottle of red, drink a bottle of red
A bottle of white
Here's where I'm going to
I have to plead ignorance a little bit
I think you're right
That not every single bar restaurant in the US
Is paying ASCAP money
Because there's some sort of cut off
In fact, I mean, this is such an annoying number crunch
But Seinfeld, Nick
You guys want to like Google this as I'm talking
Maybe you can help me explain it
My understanding is that, for instance, with venues
There's a certain threshold
I don't know if it has to do with
Different venues have different deals
Or if it has to do with the capacity
Because I could totally see that
That ASCAP maybe goes to arenas
And says like, listen, you got to do this by the books
You got to pay songwriters
But they're not going to go to like, you know
A punk house in Iowa City
And just like, you know
Just send some local person to be like
We heard a local hardcore band did an ironic cover of
Hit Me Baby One More Time, pay up
Like that's not happening
There's some sort of threshold
But truly, I remember at a certain point
When we were touring
I don't know if the shows got big enough
Or it was the venues we were playing
Our tour manager started to like
Ask for the set list
And this is back in the day
When we didn't even change the set list
And I was like, wait, why?
And he'd be like, the venue needs it
To report to ASCAP
So I don't know if we got paid for playing our own songs
Or they need to see if there's a cover or something
Or maybe, you know, for instance
Let's say Madison Square Garden
Maybe just pays a flat fee to ASCAP every year
And then they look at all the music they played
Over the loudspeakers at Knicks games
And they look at all the songs that were covered
Maybe they divide it up
And maybe if they're like, oh
Somebody came through and covered Joker Man
They're like, well, that's five bucks for Bob
I don't know how it works
But it's something like this
There's a whole alternate universe of royalties
Did you cover Joker Man at MSG?
No, as I was saying
And I realized that's a bad example
Because we did not cover Joker Man at MSG
We dropped...
That would have been a baller
We did a notable Joker Man at...
In Indianapolis
You did it at Webster Hall
We did it at Webster Hall
So yeah, maybe Webster Hall pays ASCAP
Hopefully enough of our listeners
Are the type of people who are like
Vaguely interested in the music industry
But don't know, actually know how it works
So that my vague rambling is somewhat interesting
But yes, this is...
There is random royalties sitting there
All over the world
Who knows? You might have some somewhere
Well, I was going to say the big question is
All the times that Vampire Weekend covered Mountain Brews
Wait, Jake, I'm dead ass serious
Red Rocks...
Because we played Mountain Brews at Red Rocks
Red Rocks is exactly the type of venue
Because it's this iconic large venue
That would be paying ASCAP
I would imagine that we submitted the setlist
For night two at Red Rocks
And there could be...
You might need to talk to ASCAP, Jake
I need to hire one of those services
To go collect the Mountain Brews royalties
You could have hundreds of dollars sitting in Hungary
Right now with your name on it
I think our friend Morgan Leibus
Really gets off on doing this sort of thing
Oh really? Is this his purview?
Oh yeah, he'll chase down this money
Should we try to get Morgan on the phone real quick?
Oh my god, he'd be amazing
We were going to hire him
Amantha was going to hire him
To chase down some money that we thought might be owed
From some Capricorn stuff of her father's
He really...
We could get...
Yeah, so he's the kind of guy you hire
You want to call him right now?
Should we call him?
I think he'd be really fun to talk to
Let's call him
While you wait for this, something I noticed
Because you definitely have to pay
I mean, the bar has to pay ASCAP
The restaurant theoretically has to
It's why when you go into Starbucks
Or a large chain
It's always usually the same music or stuff
From CDs they put out
Because they have to pay this royalty
You can't just play whatever you want
Something I noticed recently is that in
COVID
When Amantha had to
Take a lot of her sort of
You know, workout
Classes online over Zoom
Certain ones didn't want to pay the ASCAP fee
So they're just using really whack
Oh right
See, that's a good example
And so she's taking these classes
That normally if you're in a small space
And you're playing Megan Thee Stallion
No one's going to report you
But if this is being sent out over a large Zoom
So they're just using
Just really like library music
I think there might have been a Peloton lawsuit already
Because at first
You know, Peloton's using some of the
You know, classic music
They're using the hits of today
They're doing Grateful Dead rides
They're using all the great music
And I think the music industry
Or some of these agencies had to negotiate with them
Because at a certain point
Yeah, like of course
If you go just to your local gym
And they're playing some music
Who knows if they're paying anything
But when you're
Peloton, that's kind of like a TV show
When you got like 20, 30,000 people tuning in
That's more people than watch a lot of TV shows these days
So like, yeah, it creates this thing
And anyway, I got to say with all this stuff
As I understand it
Just because you hear a song at a supermarket
That doesn't mean that that person's getting like super paid
They might be getting paid five cents
But in the case of a Bob Dylan
Just when you imagine how big his catalog is
When you start to like scale that up
And you're like at any given moment
Somewhere in the world
There's like a Bob Dylan song playing somewhere
Somebody's covering it
Maybe there's a megachurch
That, you know, broadcasts to millions of people
And they have, you know
30,000 people come to that megachurch every Sunday
And they do a special
I shall be released
Yeah, they bring somebody out to do
I shall be released
Or you got to serve somebody from his Christian period
There's all these like funny ways
So when you get to a Bob Dylan level
That could really get substantial
Because he has thousands of songs
But yeah, I've always kind of wanted to understand this a little better
If there's anybody listening from ASCAP
You can call the show and explain this to us
And it looks like a typical restaurant, for example
It's a couple hundred dollars probably
To pay whatever ASCAP fee to play music
But if you are caught
The penalty is anywhere between
A thousand to thirty thousand dollars
So ASCAP has like agents
The owner of the new smoothie and grain bowls place
Was renditioned by ASCAP private security
After failing to pay the yearly fee
It just turned out that a few years ago at least
The ASCAP fee for a restaurant is about $380
So that's any restaurant?
Any restaurant in America?
But yeah, any restaurant in America is supposed to pay $380
Which I can't tell here
But I guess it's like
Allows you to play any music that you want
Seems like a pretty small fee given the penalty
You know there's some kind of vibe coffee shops
That have mountain brews on rotation?
We gotta get Jake his money
Sunday morning, why don't we go for a hike?
Meet in the trailhead light around a quarter to three
Me and Bobby stayed out late last night
Get on the trail and shake the cobwebs free
As we get to the top of the mountain there's a view
Take a load off and crack a few mountain brews
Mountain brews
Sweet mountain brews
Mountain brews
Sweet as morning dew
Jake, I bet you have at least thousands of dollars
Sitting uncollected across the globe
And it would cost me thousands to retrieve it
Yeah, you're gonna be in the hole about 10k if you try to get it
But um
I, I, I, I
That's where a guy like Morgan comes in
Because he does it for free
If he thinks there's
If he sees the money
Passionate
Morgan's never doing God's work
He's doing it because he sees the money
He's like I'm gonna get myself a cut of that
So if he goes oh
That mountain brews
I see a paycheck
Right, I'll get Jake 2500 bucks and a little 500 for my troubles
Pretty good
I'll take that deal
I mean the whole reason we were talking about catalogs is because
Apparently Motley Crue sold their entire recorded music catalog to BMG
For an estimated 150 million
And I know this ever since you heard about this Jake
This has just blown your mind
How could Motley Crue's
You're on record on the show saying that
You don't respect Motley Crue's music or catalog at all
Well it just doesn't track
I mean 150 million's a lot of money
Stevie Nicks sold a majority stake in her songs
To Primary Wave for 100 million
Neil Young sold 50% of his catalog for an estimated 150 million
So if Neil Young sold half his catalog for 150
I guess we could say that means his catalog is worth 300
Is there any universe in which Motley Crue's catalog is worth 50% of Neil Young's?
No
Yeah if you asked me to spitball I would guess their catalog be worth 10% of Neil Young's
Precisely
And of course at their peak they were huge but it's like
I never hear Motley Crue anywhere
No we remember Motley Crue because of their image
Because of Tommy Lee and Tam and Pommy
Tam and Tommy
Tam and Pommy
[Laughter]
Tam and Paula
No we remember Motley Crue as icons of the 80s
But like their actual music
And I don't know does that translate?
Like just them being sort of iconic 80s guys
No and you pull some like 14 year olds off the street
Of like rock bands
Yeah they might know one AC/DC song, one Rolling Stones song
I think they're not going to know any Motley Crue songs
No
And by the way we're not pulling an Eddie Vedder here
We respect Motley Crue's artistry we're not trying to [ __ ] on them
I'm just saying that
It doesn't matter what I think about Motley Crue personally
I'm just saying the numbers like they have a great lawyer
That's what I'll say
I'll tell you one thing about these people who buy catalogs
There's big money behind this
The people investing in these companies that are buying up all the publishing
These are billionaires
These are you know the JP Morgans, the Black Rocks
These are serious business people
They're cracking open the books saying
Hey Neil Young's manager how much did Neil's catalog make last year?
I want to see everything
I'll give you 25 times that
Right
Or maybe with Neil Young because he's so prestigious
They'll say I'll give you 40 times
You know they'll really butt it up
But I've always had this explained to me as like multiples
Where they're like they look at how much you make in a year
And they say here's a check up front for your next 30 years of earnings
But now it's mine
Like they're looking hard at this
I don't see Motley Crue getting like a deal
So I think we have to confront the cold hard fact
That Motley Crue is way more popular in 2022 than we understand
People are enjoying their music
They're playing it
And they're confident that Motley Crue will be a true legacy artist
Whose music will be enjoyed in 10, 20, 30 years
Oh yeah
Also think about think about international
Think about like you know Malaysia
Think about you know Latvia
You know they they might be a lot bigger
Out in some of those places they might still be very relevant
Also just to put this in context
Imagine Dragons sold their catalog a couple years ago 100 million
And that's early so that's only for like a few albums
Honestly I feel like Imagine Dragons have more hits than Motley Crue
Okay
He's the one that got Dr. Feel Good
He's gonna make it feel alright
All right Jake which is a better band Imagine Dragons or Motley Crue?
Well I'm a sucker for Power Ballads so I'm gonna go Motley Crue
Because they got Without You and they got Home Sweet Home
Okay but what about Radioactive?
Is that a Imagine Dragons Power Ballad?
Power Ballad?
I'm really not trying to go Vetter here but Imagine Dragons is way better
Wow
They're more formally innovative than Motley Crue
Well Imagine Dragons I also respect them
Because I feel like they're just like out there on their own
They're like the biggest band in the world
I mean I've defended Imagine Dragons many times
Not that they need my my defense
They're sitting on a hundred million dollars plus
But you know back in the day when some people were popping off dissing them
We always took Imagine Dragons side
But I'll say yeah Imagine Dragons are weird because they're like
To me they're like the only band like them
They exist in this weird space between pop and rock
And they're they're just like doing their own thing
With Motley Crue they're so clearly part of this wave
So I think the tough part and I know you feel this way Jake
When we've talked about them in the past
It's like you instantly just start comparing them to like Def Leppard
And these bands that just have these like Guns N' Roses
These bands just like these other 80s rock/metal bands
That just kind of have superior songwriting
But that said
Motley Crue has four albums that have gone four times platinum
Motley Crue?
Yeah
Yeah look they did their thing
They've sold a lot of records
They don't have the catalog
I'm saying their cultural legacy is pure image
And I don't understand the value of their music going forward
As their image fades into the ether
I just don't-
Well look Pam and Tommy they're back in the news
Was there any Motley Crue in that show?
I don't think so
No but that-
The Dirt which you two loved
The Dirt?
I loved The Dirt
It was a top 10 album in 2019
The Dirt soundtrack
They're a legacy band
Three years ago Motley Crue was doing some serious damage on the charts
Jake you're living in your coastal liberal elite bubble
Where Motley Crue is not a major heritage act
But newsflash
You drive a few miles outside of Los Angeles
People are blasting Crue like 24/7
Motley Crue is worth half of what Neil Young is
Right and think about international too right?
South Africa, Korea
No I feel you Seinfeld and it is true
It's like Tommy Lee is probably more recognizable to more people than Neil Young
Again I don't know how that translates to money from actual music
More people are familiar with his whole body than Neil Young
There you go
I wonder if Methods of Mayhem
Do you think that's part of that deal?
Or do you think that was just like Tommy keeps that?
We'll throw in Methods of Mayhem
We'll throw in Get Naked
Listen there's probably outside of our world
There's probably an internet radio show some other country some other place
Where a bunch of people are looking at the same numbers as us and they're like
You're telling me Neil Young sold his catalog for more than Motley Crue?
Like whoa who the f*** listens to that old hippie sh*t anymore?
What?
I could totally see that
I'm totally bringing my subjective coastal elite taste to this
No doubt about it
I'll own that
I guess all of it's a little crazy
I wonder if they're over...
I mean it's like if they're making a long-term investment in this music
I don't think any of it is a sure bet
It's like what will Neil Young's music be worth in 15 years?
Who can possibly say?
It's only going to get less and less valuable with every year I would think
My my hey hey
Rock and roll is here to stay
It's better to burn out than to fade away
My my hey hey
What's interesting about this too is that
So again like my understanding what I was saying about Motley Crue
that I don't see this as their lawyer finessing somebody who's just like
"Okay you really think it's a good investment?"
The guy's like "Oh absolutely"
I really think when people do these deals they're cracking open the books
These are hardcore businessmen
These are not like some like pie in the sky like you know
fun weird label guy who's like
"You know what f*** it I'll sign you I'll sign you for 10 million dollars"
You know it's not like that kind of thing
I think it really is pencil pushers who are looking at these numbers
So what I think all of this says because you know whether
you're a Neil Young person or a Motley Crue person
and I know a lot more of you are probably Motley Crue people statistically speaking
What all of this reflects is that the marketplace, the street, Wall Street,
international capital really believes that people will be listening to this 20th century music
for the next 100 years
The street has spoken
They believe that this is a good good long-term investment
It's also one of the stories like you know
you plant a tree for the next generation to enjoy its shade
The people buying this stuff now
they'll probably be dead before their investment turns a profit
but at a certain point it'll just be like the faucet will be going
Like once they recoup whatever they paid for all this stuff
then it's going to be just pure money coming in to their children and grandchildren
Guys, I just got a text that Morgan's available
Okay
Give him a call
So I to your point of the value, the market value of this
I have this memory of talking to Morgan about the catalog publishing stuff
and I feel that it's like the deluxe lifestyle thing
Like a catalog is like a bottle of Pappy Van Winkle
Is that there's something about the tangibility
like that you know that you have this thing
and the more it ages that you own something
or a watch, the watches that we talked about
the vintage cars that whoever owns this
it's never going to lose value
because it's from a time where someone crafted something
and then moving forward in a SoundCloud universe
or streaming universe
there just won't be as much value
So if you can get these big heritage catalogs that has a similar value
But it's still a bet because you always read these stories where somebody's like
this person was like the most famous songwriter of like 1905
We don't know a single one of their songs today
But you know that was a different era maybe
Also now these the people buying these are incentivized to keep the fire burning
We're not going to let Motley Crue fall off
All of Wall Street is now invested in Motley Crue
becoming the iconic band of the 80s
What about public domain though?
Isn't there a certain statute where you know after
what is it 125 years, 100 years?
Anyone can do it whatever they want
That's a great question actually
That wouldn't be true for the master because I think they could always own it
Well they're probably also betting that the laws will keep changing
Right they keep extending the the length until it becomes public domain
I like this universe where this huge hedge fund VC firm owns this
And they also own all of McDonald's
And so they're just pushing every it's like we gotta keep pushing Motley Crue
Right it's like one giant equity firm owns Motley Crue and McDonald's
Another one owns Poison and Burger King
It becomes this like weird proxy war
We're like yeah it's funny like Burger King is really pushing the
the new six-part uh Poison prestige TV drama
It's weird what like what does that have to do with the Burger King kids club?
I mean it makes no sense Burger King just keeps using unskinny bop in every ad
That makes no sense
There's a Burger King poison meal
Somehow it becomes like some weird like it's actually like a Chinese
equity firm bought the Poison catalog and an American one owns Motley Crue
And then like somehow some like conflict in the South China Sea
They fly Vince Neil out you're like how come so much of geopolitics
seems to revolve around these 80s hair metal bands
And you're like listen man
Vince Neil's like 70
Vince Neil's out there man
I'm about to get you so jump in
I can't just stand still yeah
I got you on the pump man
And leave my way to get your feel yeah
Every time I touch you you get hot
I wanna make love you never stop
Come up and hit it put me to the floor
What's been going on in here
Unskinny bop just blew me away
Unskinny bop bop on and on
Unskinny bop bop bop bop
Skinny just loves to play
Unskinny bop nothing more to say
Alright let's get Morgan on the phone I've known him for years and he works in music publishing
Now let's go to the time crisis
I'm gonna get you on the pump man
Time Crisis Hotline
*Phone Ringing*
Hi Ezra
Hi Jake
What's up Morgan welcome to time crisis
Pleasure to have you on the show
Alright so you're a music publisher
I think we more or less know what music publishing is
It's like song writing
But now ASCAP
What does ASCAP do
Are they a music publisher too
They collect royalties but a different type of royalties right
ASCAP is a performing rights organization
So in America
Their equivalent is BMI
And so what they're collecting
On behalf of song writers
And if a song writer has a publisher
Then they're collecting the publisher share
I'll differentiate that in a second
But what they're after
Is public performance income
This would be like
Radio airplay
You have a song that plays on the radio
You have a song that plays at the
Music festival
You have a song that plays at the
DSP's the digital service providers
You have a song that plays
On television whether that's
A synchronization with a
Inside of a TV show
Netflix
All of those Hulu everything
Pretty much so long
As it's not a buyout
Sometimes licensees
Will do a buyout like a Netflix
Will prefer to pay a little bit more money for a license
This has kind of gotten swatted away
By the industry
Let me get a little more specific
The listeners they probably have a vague sense
That you have music on TV
Music on Netflix
You're getting paid
I think what is more surprising to people
Is that people are getting paid when their music plays
In a restaurant
Or when it's covered in a live concert
The example
That we were talking about was
Vampire weekend covering Joker man
By Bob Dylan
Morgan you might not know this
Vampire weekend our second night at Red Rocks
In 2019 we covered
Jake's song Mountain Bruce
Does Jake get a little taste of that?
Great question
If Jake was to get a taste of that
You would have submitted a set list
And I believe we did
So if you did then Jake theoretically
There would be a little cash on the vine
Now again we're talking about a nickels and dimes
Space of publishing but it's where a PRO
Is like you know super important
Like literally a nickel
Or like $10
My guesstimation would be you getting your song
Covered at Red Rocks
Might be somewhere between a nickel and 10 bucks
Somewhere in that
Listen Morgan Jake's planning his future
Here
So Morgan if I wanted to
Hire you to collect
That royalty that I'm
Owed out of Red Rocks
Where is that $7.20
Sitting and how would
I get it?
So if you're a songwriter
Wants to affiliate with a performing rights organization
That's the first step
Any publisher that sort of presents themselves
As being a person who
Provides that service
Well you know great terrific
But really it's a very easy process
To affiliate with a PRO
And as a songwriter you should just
Take that on board yourself
And when doing it I think it's really important
That you create a publishing designee
A lot of times as a publisher
We look at a song we look for a songwriter
And we see no publishing
Designee we just see the songwriter
This is like
On ASCAP.com
BMI.com on their public
Forward facing repertoire search
And when you don't see a pub designee
That means BMI
And ASCAP pass the publisher
Share directly across to the writer
Which is fine you don't lose
Any money that way but it's really
Good to have a pub designee
Because then what happens is you kind of get
Two checks you get a writer share check
And a publisher share check
It sounds like Jake's getting no checks
Because he has no relationship with ASCAP or BMI
Or any kind of PRO
Morgan don't you have a special
Website you can look up
Like how much money is sitting around
For different songwriters
No if we had that you know that would be fantastic
But no that doesn't exist
So you can't do a quick number crunch to tell me
How much money Jake's leaving on the table
No I can't but what I can't
But the way that we would work backwards
Would be and again
It's really hard right now to pin
For instance if you have
A million streams on a song
Let's also assume you had 100%
Of the song right that's a very important
Factor. Are you the sole songwriter
Of Mountain Brews? No I credit
Everyone. Got it
So we're splitting the nickels
Well actually Mountain Brews might be just me
Everything later was everyone
Well but also Jake
Well Jake and I have had this kind of conversation
It's going to matter when you find that money
But Jake I think also I need to
Pull focus here and split two sides of it
I recall maybe you told me this
And correct me if I'm wrong but you were splitting
Because you put the songs up on like
TuneCore you know. I'm looking at my
TuneCore account right now. And that
Jake that is um that's master
Income because right all these guys
They showed up and they played with you right
These masters wouldn't exist
Without all these people's time. So you're
Splitting that. That's your master
Revenues. I see that's
Just okay. You're publishing
Which I don't think you've assigned to anybody. That is
Your authorship of the composition
Which you've written
100% of. Let's just say
Which I think is probably fair to say
So you know these people you know Esquib
Do you think if Jake linked up with one of them
Knowing that he's got
Somewhere between 5 cents and 10 dollars
Right there from
Vampire Weekend covering his song at Red Rocks
But also imagining that
You know I think Mountain Brew
Has probably been on some playlists that could have been
Played you know here and there
At a coffee shop or restaurant
So coffee shops and restaurants
That's impossible to track
Right. So what happens is you open up a
Coffee shop you open up a restaurant
It's not like you know somebody has to
Work overtime to submit
Their playlist from the previous week
Those are blanket licenses
And so ASCAP and BMI
Effective you know they just they bill
These places and say if you want to play
Music in this spot you know
You've got to pay this blanket license
When you fill out your license
They'll ask you how much revenue you make
How many people fit into your restaurant
Blah blah blah all these kind of things
And so you know if you're
Horses maybe you're
Busting off $600 a year to
Horses is a hot new restaurant in
LA by the way that's probably very
Excusing. But that does not
Serve horse meat. It doesn't serve
Horse meat. Actually we're going to pivot
To that in a second. But anyway so they'll pay like
A blanket license and then what ASCAP
Will do which is not dissimilar from what I
Will do. I will get unassigned
Royalties that will come in each
Quarter you know that really just don't
They've been paid to us and it's not clear
Who they're owed to and we
Me as a company we
Will distribute that income pro
Rata across our
Because there's a what we call a lot of dust in our
Business. A lot of missing
Nickels and dimes that don't match up. And
We don't want them. As a company we don't want to keep
Them. We don't want any liability. We don't want them. So we
Want to distribute them. We're going to get them off our books
And again you know for my company
Well not again but for my company which is small
I think last year
It was a very insignificant amount of money. But for
A very large publisher it might be in the millions
And it probably is certainly
In the millions. Millions of dollars of dust
Unclaimed. Unclaimed
And they'll distribute it on a pro rata
Share. So you know
The David Bowie estate for instance would see
More than Jake would see in that distribution.
But it's definitely possible that Jake
Has a few thousand bucks on the table
Distributed all over the world.
I want to hope so. I think the
First thing you do is. Here's an interesting
Exercise Jake. And this is the
Pandora's box as far as how much time you
Have. I think it'll take you 25 to
30 minutes to affiliate with
ASCAP or BMI. And then
There's a company called the MLC.com
Now this is some fascinating
All of you guys I know are occasionally on
Pitchfork. And you might recall
Like a year or so ago there was
A ton of news on the music press about how
There was you know 750 million
Or whatever hundreds of millions of dollars
In unclaimed
Mechanical income. And
What it was is if you didn't
Have a publisher from the time
That the DSPs kickstarted. Apple
iTunes. All of these things.
Or at least have an astute enough
Manager or business manager
Collecting on your behalf. All
The mechanical royalties
That were accrued on behalf of
Writers who didn't have a
Publisher or someone looking for them
Went to a black box.
And it was an astounding
Amount of money. Now
Mind you. Performance
Mechanical income combined. If you have
A million streams. You might be
Talking about $250
To $500
Depending on how that person. Whether
It's a YouTube. It's very hard to
Pinpoint. But the point is
A million dollars. You're talking about a
Few hundred dollars. And if
You had a hundred percent of the song. But
Imagine all of the people
Threw up so much music.
And to get it up on the board
It's not as if they had to have like
The entire song monetized.
I.e. a label. I.e.
Every songwriter having a publisher.
They just. Based on
Whatever
Distributions. Copyright boards
Or whatever their deals were
With labels or publishers or whatever.
They just knew that each time
A stream happened on this DSP
Or within that DSP
This tier or that tier
X amount of money goes to the songwriter
And X amount of money goes to the label
Or the owner or the master.
And they don't know who to send it to.
It goes to a black box.
And they had so much money.
And so in America
A coalition of publishers got together
And started a thing called the MLC
The Mechanical Licensing Collective
I think is what it stands for.
The. Like the word the.
MLC.com
And you can go on that. Just like you
Can go on ASCAP or BMI or CSAC
And you can look.
And you can see.
Anyone can. This is like not
This is kind of seen as publisher
Juju but this is not. This is some
Straight up. Anyone can do this.
So this is what I meant before. Can't we just like
Look up Mountain Brews?
Well we can look up to see if Jake is affiliated
But we can't look up and just see a number
Next to it and go hey there's $80 here waiting.
That feature doesn't exist.
No matches found on Mountain Brews.
I'm putting in my name.
Well it's giving me a lot of songs called Brews.
Guys I have 120 seconds
And then I gotta go do some math with my daughter.
But all of this
I'm telling you these details
This is just America.
This is just for revenue generated in America.
So Canada
Instead of the MLC they have the CMRRA.
You know Germany's got
A mechanical collection society.
France does too. And that's in addition to
The PROs I mentioned.
So it all adds up.
And also my Pandora's box comment
To Jake. He can go
Affiliate with ASCAP and BMI.
And he can go to the MLC and he can affiliate there too.
But he's just at that point
Got the 50 states covered.
He doesn't have the rest of the world.
However he might just get that Red Rocks bread.
That would have originated in America.
Yeah I know we did cover
Can you help us track down
Jake's Red Rock bread?
I can't.
Okay get on it. We'll return to this on another episode.
I feel like I did license with one of them.
When you upload stuff to Bandcamp
Or TuneCore I feel like they
I could be misremembering.
I don't know either. I forget.
I honestly don't remember.
We gotta do some research. I know we did play
Mountain Bruise or at least part of it
In Germany.
A couple other shows I remember.
Alright. Well Seinfeld pack your sh*t
We're flying out to Germany tomorrow.
We need to come back with Jake's money.
I'm ready.
Alright well thanks so much Morrie.
Thanks for calling in.
It's an honor. I hope that wasn't too boring.
No man.
I'm not a fan of the show.
If you had a girl that told you that
she also did corporate food history,
would you have been excited?
Or would you have been
sort of like, "Oh no."
I would be excited because
I like Dua Lipa. I'm a fan.
And I'd be like, "You know what?
She's going to bring corporate food history
to a bigger audience than we could.
And, you know, we're all doing God's work."
That's how I'd feel.
I mean, is it fair to call somebody
who's never been on the show a friend of the show?
I'm sure.
Because you feel like Dua Lipa is a friend of the show,
even though she's never been on the show?
Yeah.
Any musician who hosts
an internet radio show
or podcast is automatically a friend of the show.
Correct.
They understand my struggle.
Dua Lipa has to tell her
press people that they need to release
an announcement saying,
"I am not a friend of the show."
I am unequivocally not a friend of the show.
I would say that Elton John's a friend of the show
because I went on his
Apple Music internet radio show.
You did?
Yeah.
When?
It was like Father of the Bride era.
2019?
Yeah, it was 2019. He couldn't have been nicer.
In person or phone?
No, I was on the phone.
First of all, he really did his homework.
He clearly had some notes.
He had really nice things to say about
the album.
He said Father of the Bride was his favorite album of the year
so far.
I think I talked to him in June of that year.
I meant to check in with him
early the next year.
Then due to the COVID-19 pandemic, I forgot about it.
But I
say, "Hey Elton, I know
a lot of time has passed.
Did that make it to the end?"
I have a bad feeling it didn't.
Matt, can we get Elton
John on the phone real quick?
Right now?
Yeah, let's see if he picks up.
He's probably sleeping. He's probably in a different
time zone.
My understanding is that Elton John's show is
the longest running
Apple Music show and
Time Crisis is only second to Elton
John's show. Is that
correct? Matt is shaking his head.
I'm completely incorrect on that.
Nobody knows.
The longest running.
One thing that stands out to me
is that he said, which was tight,
he really
listens to music. He really was familiar
with the record because at some point he said,
"I heard you're a father now."
"Oh yeah, we had a baby last year."
He goes, "Is that what Bambina's about?"
I was like,
"Oh, no."
I didn't want to get into the weeds on it.
I was like, "Yeah, no."
I wasn't thinking that.
Anyway, shout out to Elton John. That's tight.
Great guy. Friend of the show.
Friend of the show.
Elton John puts out a statement. He's like,
"I reserve the right to call you a friend of the
show, although I wouldn't now,
but I'm certainly not a friend of your show."
How dare you?
Joint statement from Dua Lipa and Elton John.
I've been in this
business a long time, kid.
I mean,
it's very, you know, we could do
something for them, but they can do nothing for us.
Are you thirsting more?
It's very thirsting.
I'd love to revisit that, actually.
I've thought a lot about...
That was an episode of Time Crisis that I really
took back into my own week.
You know, because sometimes we'll talk
about some sh*t like, you know,
I'll promise that I'm going to drink Folgers for two weeks
and I instantly forget about it. I'm not going to forget this time.
The next two weeks, I'm going hard on Folgers.
But, you know,
just because I enjoy talking
about it with you guys,
you know, other people in my life,
it's not going to come up where I'm going to be like...
Just like
talking to some other friends or family
and just be like, "You guys check out the new
Folgers ad campaign?"
Yikes. What do you think about this whole New Orleans
thing? I mean, come on, it's just the roastery.
Like, it's not going to come up.
It's very unlikely to come up.
Not going to come up. Whereas there was something
about Thirst and More talking about fish that
actually I wanted to keep talking about it with people.
You know, whether it's like talking with a CT
who's like an OG fish fan.
Or just like other people I knew
who maybe had met Thirst and More
or Grateful Dead.
That one just came up a lot. I thought about it a lot.
Just like, "Hey, you guys..."
Just making a small, "You know about this? Thirst and More
kind of thought that they were going to be the next fish
and he kind of said this weird interview."
Ezra, I love you
being at a party and people say,
"What's going on with you?"
And you're like, "You know, I saw this tweet
from Folgers and
you know what? I've spent the last two weeks...
Basically I'm going to spend my two weeks
I'm going to drink Folgers." And people around the party
are like, "Wow, what a quirky guy."
[laughter]
They say, "Damn, now."
They say, "Damn, now." I was really taking
their cursing. So you know what?
I'm just going to go... I'm going to just kind of
exclusively drink Folgers for the next two weeks.
I'll just never reference Time Crisis.
I think that's what I should do when I meet
new people is if they're just like
making small talk with me.
I don't let them know that I have
an internet radio show
that I do with you guys.
I'll just reference Time Crisis stuff, but
no zero context.
Matt did a number crunch.
TC and Elton John
both started the same week, their shows.
And are the only
two artist-led programs that started
week one are still going.
Wow, so we're tied with Elton John.
Yeah, there's another show called Soul Election
hosted by Joe Kay, but
that's in a slightly different category.
Interesting. I am just
picturing being at some kind of
young urban professional
hipster party and people talking about
coffee. Classic.
Classic topic of conversation. People are
just like, "Oh, I'm trying to drink less coffee."
Or somebody saying, "What do you think is the best coffee
in the neighborhood?" Or somebody saying,
"Do you go out for coffee in the morning?"
Or, "Do you use a Mocha Master?"
"Do you use Nespresso Paws?" And I just
pressed in just being like, "I was talking
to my friend about...
I kind of got it wrong on the Folgers
claim to New Orleans, so
for me, I'm drinking Folgers
now."
It's like, "Who the f*** is
this dude?" And they're
like, "What?" And I'm like, "Oh, I'm sorry.
Maybe I didn't give you enough context." So I was talking
with a group of my friends about the new Folgers ad
campaign.
I didn't even think about it. It's like a Tim Robinson
level. You know what's funny? I didn't even think about
it. I immediately started doing my bad
Tim Robinson impression because...
Yeah, it's that guy. He's the king
of the awkward guy at the party
who won't stop saying s*** like that.
Yeah, I probably should go
to the supermarket and stock up on more Folgers.
I'm worried if they're going to sell out
because of this new ad campaign.
Yeah,
Folgers says, "Damn now." So,
yeah, I think
a lot of younger people are going to get in the Folgers game.
Probably going to sell out
in all the cool neighborhoods.
and I got a little bit of egg on my face, uh, due to the whole New Orleans roastery thing.
All right, the number two song 1969, Creedence Clearwater Revival, "Proud Mary."
Classic.
That accent, "waken," yeah, "waken."
Oh, actually, John Fogerty referred to that. He said that was a funky pronunciation he got
from Howlin' Wolf. I guess Howlin' Wolf would say "waken," "boinin." Sounds like New York.
That's so funny.
What'd he say about New Orleans?
Uncle Otto. The Folgers Roastery down in New Orleans.
Wait, hold on. That song, didn't he say "big wheel keep on boinin"? Here, back up.
It sounded like you got it mixed up that time.
"Proud Mary keep on boinin."
Did it? Sounds like he said "big wheel keep on boinin."
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
He messed up. The "big wheel keeps on toinin."
That's a good take.
"Not boinin." Yeah, it was a good take. They left it. Couldn't punch it in. Great song.
Fogerty came up with the guitar riff when he was playing around with Beethoven's Fifth Symphony.
That guitar riff always reminds me of Nirvana.
Totally. The number two song this week in 2022, Kevin Gates, "Thinking With My D***,"
featuring Juicy J.
I'm just back in the Sopranos 2020 now.
Yeah.
Which is an account that lives exclusively on TikTok, by the way.
Yeah.
"Thinking With My D***."
"Thinking With My D***."
"V.I.P. going mad. Bands make a dance with a bag full of Zans. Got my Vans in advance,
acting bad on the tabs. Pants cost a grand, put that ass in my hands."
With Ross, it means Kevin Gates.
As is often the case.
Kevin Gates is from Louisiana, right? Is he from New Orleans?
Yes, he is.
He's from New Orleans? I never feel like I'm saying it right.
This song came out in 2013. "Resurgence," because of TikTok.
Wow.
"After a whole clickdown, I'm talking like Domino's. One hit wonder when we finish. Adio."
"Got money. Don't wanna if you don't."
There's a great video everyone should check out online of Kevin Gates singing Blink-183 lyrics.
He loves Blink-183.
Did you just say Blink-183?
I did just say Blink-183. He loves Blink-183. Everyone should watch this video.
Wait, wait, what?
Really?
Who's Blink-183?
Nick, are you having a stroke?
I had a stroke. I had a stroke.
Wait, Nick, you know what the name of the band is, right?
Yeah, I don't know what I said to Blink-183.
Wait, what's going on? Are you, no, for real, are you okay? Stop. Cut the music. Cut the music,
Matt. Cut the music.
Wait, Nick.
Nick, Nick, are you okay?
What's the name of the band?
Blink-182.
Okay.
We've...
I wasn't, I was reading. I don't know why I came up with the three.
It's inflation. That inflation will get you every time.
2013. I'm doing too much at one time. I'm looking at this song came out in 2013 from Matt. I'm
thinking about Kevin Gates.
Okay.
I'm thinking about Blink-182.
All right. That really freaked me out.
What if we do, that's like, that becomes a new Mandela effect thing. Like,
guys, I swear when I was growing up, it was Blink-183.
No, no, millions of people remember it that way. Millions of people, it was Blink, yeah, like.
It's Blink-183.
I remember. What's my age again? Blink-183. All the small things. Blink-183.
Mark Hoppus was from Blink-183. Yeah, Blink-183.
No, no, but look, you look on the internet, everything on this timeline was Blink-182.
It's the weirdest thing.
Take off my pants and jacket. Blink-183.
First concert was Blink-183 and 2-11.
An amazing double bill.
No, I was at that show. I remember my mom drove me. I bought a 2-11 shirt and a Blink-183 patch.
No, no, this is really weird.
There's a Canadian Blink-182 cover band called Blink-183 based in Calgary.
Oh, that's what you were thinking when I was coming here.
Oh yeah, Jake hung out with them a lot in his Calgary days. Okay, the number one song this week.
Seven Marry Four.
Seven Marry Four. Eight Marry Four. Six Marry Four. The number one song this week in 1969,
this is kind of a jam, Tommy Rowe with Dizzy. This has like a, this got sampled a lot. There's like a
drum break in this. Yeah. That's cool. This went to number one.
So let me get a number crunch. What are some famous like rap songs that sampled Dizzy?
All right. You got a song called Early to Rise by Nice and Smooth.
The Magic Number by De La Soul.
Oh yeah.
It's been sampled by 40 different rap songs.
Okay. The number one song, shout out to Tommy Rowe, the number one song this week
on the iTunes chart in 2022 is Cody Johnson with Till You Can't. I don't know if we've ever
listened to Cody Johnson on this show. This is off his, of Human, the double album. Wait,
is this like a country thing now where everybody makes double albums and they write colon the
double album? Wasn't Morgan Wallen's big album Dangerous the double album?
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
You just got too much on your plate to bait and cast a line. You can always put a rain check in
his hand till you can't. You can keep putting off forever with that girl whose heart you hold,
swearing that you'll last someday further down the road. You can always put a diamond on her hand
till you can't.
Gotta do stuff. You gotta show people love while they're around.
This is that kickstart my heart energy.
Cause a dream won't chase you back if you're gonna love somebody. Hold on as long and as
strong and as close as you can till you can. It's a nice message. There's a box of greasy
parts sitting in the trunk of that 65. Still waiting on you and your granddad to bring you
back. What's in the trunk of the 65? Greasy parts. Oh, greasy parts? Oh, like shit on the
truck of the car with his grandpa? That's pretty low stakes, but that's cool. It's about spending
time with your grandpa. Take it while you got a chance. If you got a dream, chase it. Cause a
dream won't chase you back if you're gonna love somebody. Hold on as long and as strong and as
close as you can till you can. So take that phone call from your mama. Just talk away cause you'll
never know how bad you want her till you can someday. This is like the living years of me
catching my early stroke by saying Blink 183. If you got tickets to see Blink 183 in 2-11,
go. You know like there's one of those like how did you see it coming on? Like caught it earlier.
It's like no, my friends caught it earlier. I know that I was having a stroke. I kept talking
about Blink 183. If you're gonna love somebody, hold on as long and as strong and as close as you
can till you can. Yeah, if you got a chance, take it. Alright, decent song. This makes me want to
listen to Steve Winwood, While You See a Chance. Makes you want to listen to who? You know,
I was like, I knew there's some other song that was about if you have a chance, take it,
but it's Steve Winwood, While You See a Chance. You know this song? It's probably a good song to
go out on. I don't know if I do know. It made me think of that song, The Living Years by Mike and
the Mechanics. Oh yeah. I remember you put me on to The Living Years. Yeah, similar like, yeah.
Wait, talk to your dad before he's dead. Yeah. Oh yeah, I love this song. This is a great one to go
out on. Alright, everybody, enjoy the rest of your Sunday and remember what Steve Winwood and to a
lesser extent Cody Johnson taught you, which is enjoy life while you can, show love, while you
see a chance, take it. We'll see in two weeks. Peace.
Stand up in a clear blue morning until you see what can be alone in a cold day dawning.
Are you still free? Can you be?
When some cold tomorrow finds you, when some subtle dream reminds you, how the endless road unwinds you, while you see a chance, take it.
Time Crisis with Ezra Koenig.
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