Episode 203: Tim Crisis
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Time Crisis, back again.
On this week's episode, we go through all the hottest news.
Seinfeld news, music news, and Tim Hortons news.
Prepare to get your brain filled with all the info that you need to know to navigate the world today.
This is Time Crisis with Ezra Koenig.
Time Crisis, back again. What's up, fellas?
Hey, what's up?
Here we are.
What up?
What up?
Here we are.
What's going on?
Back once again.
I feel like we need like a lead in.
I could definitely start writing kind of like NPR style, kind of like summaries of the show.
Isn't that like a thing where it's like after we record the whole thing, then it kind of opens with like, wow, almost Halloween again.
This time of year always gets me thinking about blah, blah, blah.
There was a time when I like tell a little story and then go, anyway, on today's episode, me, Jake, Seinfeld, and Nick.
You know, like that kind of thing?
Yeah.
That really get the people pumped up.
Or like a classic. I noticed this. I'd like, like there's a few podcasts on the ringer I listen to and they do really good intros.
This dude, Chris Ryan, will always be like, I'm Chris Ryan, an editor at the ringer and joining me on the mic.
He doesn't give one F about an Oxford comma. It's Ezra Koenig.
Right.
And then it's like high energy. It's like, you know, it's like a nice like kind of takeoff ramp.
Right.
So we shout everybody out, get the people pumped and then be like, no beating around the bush.
We have to we need like an opening segment.
Yeah.
Because we're always coming in solo energy.
Right.
And I bet we open with the top five.
Be like, we've learned that internet radio listeners and podcast listeners, they want you coming out strong.
You hook them in the first 15. It doesn't matter if it peters out towards the end.
We open with the top five, top five songs, five minutes each jukebox jury.
New Gunna song. Jake, what do you think?
Hate it. I hate it.
Last time I hate it again. Seinfeld.
What about you? I'm going to disagree.
Open with the top five.
Yeah, I feel like this show. Yeah.
Like it's all is better in the second hour.
It's like a dead show.
That's right.
You think there's anybody is there anybody that just straight up just cuts right to the middle, just scrubs the first half?
I could see it.
Well, we also got a hard on ourselves.
We do have our great editor, Matt.
So he's I think he's making it sing across the board.
That's true. Right.
I do feel you, Jake.
Shout out to Matt.
And I'm actually surprised that this has never come up before.
But I think you're right there.
It no matter what, it's like a dead show in that the first and second half are different.
Yeah. First half, you might get a very earnest Merle Haggard cover with not a particular lot of soloing.
And I turned 21 in prison.
That was Bob where my version of Bob were saying Merle Haggard.
And I turned 21 in prison.
Doing life without parole.
So you're going to get some kind of like random fun stuff like that.
And then the second half is maybe the sun goes down.
And yeah, it maybe it gets a bit deeper.
The jams get a little tastier.
The medallio starts hitting.
Yeah, I was going to say that second or third medallio hits.
I would just caution Matt not to make it sing so great that we lose another popcorn and raisins.
True.
That's all I would say.
From the vault.
I think that's unfair.
Matt, how could he have known?
Not trying to put you on the spot.
Some of our greatest hits end up on the cutting room floor.
We need some time to warm up, but we don't subject the audience to all of that.
Since none of us have ever listened to the show,
what if we found out that Matt has been taking basically all the second half
and just cutting up and putting it up front?
Every show contains side two of Tattoo You.
That's a pretty good idea.
Well, Seinfeld listens to the show because he'll live tweet it sometimes.
Yeah.
And I'll check in.
I'll check in on the show.
I've heard some.
Not in a while.
That'd be funny if just like...
I've been hearing a lot of stories from various people meeting a TC head in the wild,
including Rashida met a TC head in the wild.
Oh, that was a crazy story.
He said he's a big fan of her and Jake's banter.
Right, the Gen X showdown.
But so, you know, we know they're out there,
but I'm just picturing a scenario where one of us meets a TC head
and they're just like, "Loving the show.
And I love the pivot just to more tunes, man.
Less talking.
Just like a '90s radio station.
More of what you want, the tunes and less talking."
And you're like, "Wait, what do you mean?"
No, I just love that, like, you know, enough of the junk.
Just the greatest hits of the '70s, '80s, and '90s.
Like, "I love that you guys are doing 52 minutes an hour of music."
We're like, "No, I mean we talk a lot."
He's like, "You know, maybe you guys talk a lot when you're recording,
but, you know, it really sings when it hits the air."
The new TC promise, 52 minutes of music an hour, and that's guaranteed.
That's a TC guarantee.
All right, just throw in "Side to a Tattoo You."
You do the little things, the things to me
Sometime I'm worried, girl
That you ain't never lovin' me
Sometime I stay up late
Yeah, I haven't fall
Yeah, I'm busy, you know by now
That you ain't that lonely boy
Yeah, I'm better off
Ooh, the sweet things that you promised me
You're the sweetest girl I've ever known
Yeah, vanished like a dream
Baby, I wonder why
Yeah, you do these things to me
'Cause I'm worried, yeah, I just can't seem to find my way
Baby
Oh, speaking of "Side to a Tattoo You," is that Stone's record out yet?
'Cause we could just—I would love to just kind of check out that record with you guys, first listen.
Not a bad idea.
I know the single's out. We could listen to the single.
Did you hear the single?
Yeah. "Angry."
What'd you think of it?
Pretty good.
Okay.
Kind of surprised. Video also is sick, and I rarely watch music videos, but somehow it crossed my transom.
Okay, "Weird Flex." Album came out—28th. Came out two weeks ago.
The full record? The full album? No, no.
Oh, no, no. I'm way off. It comes out October 20th.
Okay, so next show we could do a full listen of the record.
I won't be angry with you
But I can't see straight
I wonder if that's Charlie on drums.
I don't think so. Doesn't sound like it.
We have our fate in love, and I wanna know why
Why you angry with me
Why you angry with me
So far it sounds like the Stones.
Please just forget about me
Can't stop my name
I'll tell you the exact moment it stops sounding like the Stones.
I love you just the same
I hear a voice
Yep. Yep.
What happened there?
Don't have to be ashamed
I think they wanted to throw in a little bit of Bon Jovi energy.
You think they were working with a songwriter?
Well, this song is produced by Andrew Watt, who's a 30-something producer.
Produced a lot of big hits. Very successful guy.
And one interesting thing about him is that he's become the go-to producer for all the legends.
He's produced an Ozzy Osbourne album, Rolling Stones.
He did something with Morrissey.
Interesting.
You angry with me
Why you angry with me
Voices keep echoing
Calling out my name
Hear the rain keep falling
He's a young gun working with the old guys.
He's a young gun who knows pop music, but also is very reverent for the heroes.
So maybe he's the perfect guy to give the people the right amount of classic vibes.
Don't get angry with me
It's a weird... I mean, I'm listening to it, you know, we're doing the show on FaceTime.
I'm listening to it through my earbuds.
So it's a little tinny, but the drums sound, I don't know, very mechanical, very thin.
They sound a little bit looped, but I bet, you know, there is a reverence for like old school recording.
So I bet that somebody's playing the drums and they might be a bit...
I mean, obviously you listen to Mick's voice, you can hear a bit of the pitch correction,
but like, not that he particularly needs it, but that's just, I don't know, this stuff all sounds normal to modern ears.
But if like many of us, you've listened to 60s and 70s Rolling Stones recordings thousands of times,
of course, you'll always know that something is from the 2020s.
Well, yeah, I mean, I never, I wasn't about to mistake... I heard the song once,
and I wasn't like mistaking it for like, "Oh, is this an outtake from Exile?"
Yeah.
It was very clearly new.
I was just sort of like, "Yeah, man," like kind of recognizing like an old friend.
I was sort of like, "Oh yeah, man, it sounds exactly like the Stones."
Yes.
It's hard to put your finger on, like what...
It's that classic Keith guitar part, you know, he's always in his like, that Keith tuning.
So he always does the same kind of chords, ding-a-ding-a-ding-a-ding-a-ding.
Yeah, the only part where it gets in a new territory, for better or for worse, is that like minor chord,
which is, to me, has kind of like an 80s feeling.
I don't know why, a Bon Jovi comes to mind, it might be better.
Right, or like, did Linda Perry help write this song?
Yeah.
Please don't forget about that, in that part of the Stones,
♪ Da-na-na-na ♪
Yeah, then it's that other chord.
One song that I really liked that Andrew Watt produced, I think last year, was this Morrissey song.
Can you pull up Morrissey's last single?
Also, just to give you an idea of the way in which this producer/writer, Andrew Watt,
is not just a producer of modern stuff, but somebody who like, I guess, you know,
like helps people make music that sounds like themselves.
Because back in the day...
Is it "Rebels Without Applause"?
"Rebels Without Applause."
That's a great song.
You know what's interesting?
This sounds truly like he hit the chord.
Like, whatever he did was, he made a Morrissey song.
Like, this is the most throwback-y...
He made a Smiths song, really.
Yeah, I was like, is this fake Johnny Marr?
I don't think he pulled off a Johnny Morrissey.
♪ I cry every... ♪
♪ One by one ♪
♪ I saw them storm ♪
♪ Rebels without applause ♪
♪ The gang's all gone ♪
♪ And now I am the only one ♪
Yeah, this is strong.
♪ No more to give ♪
♪ Too late to live ♪
I guess something else that's got more into it
is like, the lyrics pulled me in a bit more.
I wonder how much Morrissey, Mick and Keith have listened to
over the last 40 years.
♪ 40 boys of some ♪
♪ And girls all gone wrong ♪
♪ I loved them all ♪
♪ 40 boys of some ♪
♪ And girls all gone wrong ♪
♪ I loved them all ♪
And also, I think this song, I think, is just Morrissey
reflecting on being a young punk fan,
which is like, kind of a sweet sentiment.
You mean he's looking back?
Yeah, he's talking about all the boys gone wrong or something,
and later he starts shouting out bands.
♪ And the blue flew ♪
♪ Must come for you ♪
♪ Rebels without your paws ♪
♪ 40 boys of some ♪
♪ And girls all gone wrong ♪
I think the rebels without applause are like,
all like the OG punk bands who came up and never got their props.
Like, the rebels who broke through but never really got the applause,
that like, that's sweet. Yeah.
At some point he starts talking about Generation X and X-Ray Specs.
You know what this is like?
It's very similar to--what's our song about? The bands?
Oh yeah, Andy Preboy.
It's Andy--yeah, Preboy, 'cause he's like, "Oh yeah, and I loved them all."
♪ Generation X ♪
♪ And X-Ray Specs ♪
♪ We loved them all, I see them still ♪
He's just naming bands he loves.
Is that autotune?
Yeah.
He needed a little help maybe.
♪ I loved them all ♪
He could have nailed it, maybe it was just like, why not?
Save some time.
I love that he says, "I see them still."
I see them still.
He sees them in his memories and his dreams.
Around the pub?
Or maybe literally.
I think I did some applause.
Yeah, it's like a pretty sweet song for a guy who people don't think of as very sweet.
But yeah, I also just--I love this ending, just saying, "I loved them all."
Just--not too many people could pull that off.
Just like, talking about the good old days and all the bands you liked,
and not just being like, "Those were cool days."
Or, you know, or maybe drenching it in a kind of darkness.
Like, look at all the time that passed by, man, I got old.
Instead, he's just like, "X-Ray Specs, boy, I love them.
I still throw on the records every now and then."
It's a cool subgenre of songs--love songs to other bands.
There's the pavement song, "Unforeseen Power of the Picket Fence,"
which is a love song to REM.
Oh, I don't know that song.
There's like an old '60s Motown song
where it's just shouting out other bands that rule.
Wait, is it, um, "Spotlight on Sam and Dave, yo."
Yeah, exactly.
My dad had the 45 of that, "Sweet Soul Music."
Oh, yeah.
Just throw that on.
That's a great one.
Wait, can I just read this real fast?
Matt sent over this quote from Morrissey's autobiography.
He's running with Mick Jagger.
Ooh.
"In New York, Mick Jagger arrives backstage and extends the hand of friendship.
It is a big moment for Johnny Marr, but I, of course, is in a nightmare of judgment,
and it takes me years to understand the secret genius of the Rolling Stones.
Dismissal can be a secret form of arrogance,
and I held this proudly against the Stones until the light shifted
and I caught myself being utterly wrong.
The inbuilt censorship can also often be a substitute for not actually knowing any better.
Now I agonize over my criticism of the Stones.
With blather, that was anything but a true reflection of the facts.
In any case, Mick Jagger only stayed for four songs into the Smith set,
but I felt no hurt at his departure,
because I could even then understand how my general being,
which we dare not term a persona, was difficult for a lot of people to take.
As the Smith singer, I consigned all of my best efforts to conviction,
and all of my being went into each song."
You know, he's like a cool hipster guy.
It was just like, the Stones suck.
And he mellowed out later and was like, "Damn, Stones? The secret genius of the Stones."
Well, it's also, the way he tells that story is interesting,
because he's implying that Mick left after four songs because his vibe was so bad.
Um...
What did he say? He left after four songs.
"In any case, Mick Jagger only stayed for four songs into the Smith set,
but I felt no hurt at his departure,
because I could even then understand how my general being
was difficult for a lot of people to take."
Right. Either he's just being like, "I just seemed arrogant on stage,"
and maybe he just didn't want to watch,
or maybe he's like obliquely implying that he, on stage, he was like...
Maybe he was saying something weird.
"Oh, Mick Jagger's here. No, but they met backstage."
Oh, so maybe he met him and he was like a bit of a prick
and then Mick watched four songs, like, "I'm getting out of here."
Yeah.
It's funny. I guess Morrissey's just such a...
He's such a fanboy.
Even now, even all this time later in his autobiography as like, a much older guy,
even the way he still thinks about music is still from a fanboy's perspective,
because it's not like he's saying, "You know, I used to be just like kind of a prick,
and like, you know, even some really... Mick Jagger came backstage,
and I had to be all weird and competitive,
and I probably did that to a lot of people, and I don't know.
Maybe I'm just insecure at the end of the day."
It's not just that he reflected on his behavior.
What really got him is that he actually realized the Stones were good.
You know what I mean?
Because I'm sure he was probably also terrible to somebody who people don't think is good.
And he was always right.
Right. Yeah. He's like, "My crucial mistake was not being a prick.
It was being a prick to somebody who low-key was actually a pretty good songwriter."
"It took me years to understand the secret genius of the Rolling Stones.
Dismissal can be a secret form of arrogance."
The secret genius.
I know what he means, because when I was a kid, I was like,
"The Beatles are so much better than the Stones."
The music is so much brighter and poppier.
It took me a long time to really appreciate the secret genius of the Rolling Stones.
And I know you carry a lot of regret about how you treated Mick Jagger when he came through.
Yeah, man.
That "Dear Nora" show in '02.
You know, Mick keeps his ear to the ground.
He popped into the hemlock in SF and got that DN set.
Did I ever tell you this story about this friend of mine?
And this is the kind of thing that could just never happen in this day and age.
But he was maybe, I don't know, 12.
He was like, I guess they were graduating middle school or something.
And the music teacher sat the class down and said, "Hey, guys.
It's been a great year.
And I want to leave you with this.
For the rest of your lives, you're going to hear a debate.
Who's better, the Beatles or the Rolling Stones?"
They're both great bands, and they both have a ton to offer.
Talks about the harmony, the melody, you know, of the Beatles.
And he goes, "But you can f--- the Stones."
But this is like seniors in high school?
No, this is like middle school.
This is like 12-year-olds or 14-year-olds going into high school.
Oh, God.
And he told me this because as a kid, I went to high school with him.
He goes, "Yeah, you know, I came from this other high school or this other middle school."
And I will never forget it.
And he said, "You know, for the rest of my life, I don't think I'll forget that."
That guy's no longer a teacher.
But, um...
No, it's real election vibe.
But he was right.
I'm picturing like Robin Williams and Dead Poets Society giving an impassioned speech.
"But you must understand, you can f--- to the Stones.
And never let anybody tell you otherwise."
Also, I guess if we want to be sympathetic to Morrissey.
I mean, obviously, he is a fanboy.
He famously, in the late 70s, wrote an article for...
I don't know.
Maybe it was a letter to the NME or something.
Where he wrote...
The headline was, "Ramones are rubbish."
And he was a New York Dolls super fan.
So, this is probably like Morrissey as a teenager.
He was a New York Dolls super fan.
And the Ramones came out.
And people were like, "Oh, there's this amazing punk band out of New York City."
And he's like, "The greatest band out of New York City was the New York Dolls.
And they never got their props. The Ramones are rubbish."
And I think he eventually changed his mind.
No, he walked it back.
He walked it back and he said...
"Mia Coppa, the Ramones are not rubbish."
"When I bought the Ramones' first album on import, I was enraged with the jealousy.
Because I felt they had booted the New York Dolls off the map.
I was 100% wrong."
That first sentence is so nuts.
That sounds like the way modern fandom talks.
Where people are so invested.
I guess it's good for him for keeping it real.
Picture in 1976, this lad in Manchester.
He listens to it.
And he's enraged.
Not because it somehow affects his career.
But just because another band he kind of likes has slid a little bit down the totem pole.
And he's just like...
You could just imagine if they had social media back then.
And he was just like, "New York Dolls fans, suit up.
Because we're going to war.
We need to keep the Ramones off the charts."
Wow.
It's amazing.
Three days after writing that Ramones piece, I realized that my love for the Ramones would outlive time itself.
And it shall.
I mean, he's just the best.
Well, it virtually has already.
If the Ramones were alive today, they'd be one of the biggest bands in the world.
It takes the world 30 years to catch on, doesn't it?
I mean, look at poor Nico.
Every modern teenager now seems to love Nico.
Yet while she was alive, she couldn't afford a decent mattress.
I mean, it's great that he's...
I mean, look at that.
He's talking about Rebels Without Applause.
That's clearly a subject near and dear to his heart.
Because he's a fan.
He's like the Quentin Tarantino of indie rock.
[laughter]
Like the same way, you know, Quentin Tarantino has his podcast, which is like borderline unlistenable.
Impossible to listen to.
I mean, which I love.
I respect it.
I respect that it's unlistenable, but because...
It does cut up very well on YouTube, by the way.
I mean, obviously, he's one of the greatest directors of his generation.
He proved all the haters wrong.
Say what you will, but he's like continued to make interesting films.
And clearly just knows movies inside and out, which is why the podcast can sometimes be tough to listen to.
Because he's just talking with his buddy about...
Oh, no, of course you remember.
1975, blah, blah, blah.
He's talking about these movies that...
You just have no idea what you're talking about.
Yeah.
And you could almost...
You could totally see Morrissey having a podcast.
Yeah, yeah.
The Ramones are fine.
Okay, I get it.
They're playing like souped up Beach Boys kind of stuff.
But where it's at is with the dolls.
Now, three years before the Ramones ever come out.
The dolls, man.
They're downtown.
They're wearing dresses.
It's crazy.
I'm 16 years old.
All right.
So I hear the Ramones record.
The first thing my...
It doesn't hold a candle to the peak of New York Dolls, 1973.
It's just...
I mean, so I'm just thinking like this is totally, this is totally trash.
And I don't think they ever...
Yeah, and even just to make a song where you're just kind of like talking about who you consider
to be the unsung heroes.
I mean, Generation X is the band Billy Idol started in.
So they're...
And X-Ray Spex, I mean, to me, that's like a pretty famous punk band.
But certainly, they didn't go...
X-Ray Spex did not have the career of Suzy and the Banshees, for instance.
All right.
For my money, I mean, Suzy and the Banshees, that's the spot.
X-Ray Spex always should have.
First X-Ray Spex album, I mean, absolutely flawless.
And then to do like kind of like a song about it, rewriting history.
♪ I know you're antiseptic ♪
♪ Your deodorant smells nice ♪
♪ I'd like to get to know you ♪
♪ Your dick's frozen like the ice ♪
♪ He's a junky adolescent ♪
♪ Cleanliness is her obsession ♪
♪ Cleans her teeth ten times a day ♪
♪ Sprava-wise, sprava-wise, sprava-wise ♪
♪ He has no wife ♪
But I guess Morsey came around on it.
I guess good for him.
Sometimes you encounter people with really strong feelings,
and they can be very off-putting.
Well, I could...
But one saving grace is sometimes if they say,
"Hey, I'm just really passionate about stuff, and I was wrong."
"The Rolling Stones are good."
And I could see like the Stones and the Ramones kind of have a similar...
They're both so straightforward, deceptively, I think.
The songs are so...
There's no artifice or mystery with either band.
And I could see if you're an arty kid like Morsey,
that just being a turn-off.
The Stones would just be like Bob Seger or something to him.
Yes.
And then as he ages, he starts to...
"Well, the lyrics are kind of cool."
"Wow, that tuning he uses is awesome, and the recordings are amazing."
Right. I wonder what broke it open for him.
Yeah, I wonder.
Side 2 of Tattoo You, dude.
Christmas 19-day 81
I anxiously unwrap
The thin square in front of the tree
It's the vile Rolling Stones
A new album called Tattoo You
From my nan
I put it on
As I play through side 1
I feel a nausea
As if ready to vomit
I crack the record
And run out of the house
Only ten years later
In a record store in Los Angeles, California
I finally am acquainted with side 2 of Tattoo You
I fall to my knees
And weep
At how wrong I was
And how judgmental
Yeah, I would have thought that, like...
'Cause Morrissey, you know, he seemingly knows the '60s inside and out.
I would have thought that he would have, like, appreciated
As Tears Go By or something.
Ruby Tuesday?
Yeah. But I guess maybe when he was really coming of age
Was, like, early '70s, and...
Yeah, I could see why...
Glam?
Yeah, he couldn't get into exile, and...
Yeah, he wasn't into, like, the faces and Rod Stewart.
He was into, like, Bowie and, uh, you know, T-Rex and that kind of stuff.
Yeah, and I guess if you're, like, 13 or 14 when those bands are coming out
And they're really pushing the envelope
You see Mick having...
I could see how that era of the Stones, you might be like, "What's exciting about this?"
What is this, like, country rock horse crap that they're doing?
You know, not appealing.
Yeah.
I wonder if he just, like, caught maybe Wild Horses on the radio one day
And was just kind of, like, got swept up in, like, the emotion of it
And realized, like...
Because that to me is always an example where I think of, like,
The Stones kind of just, like, down-to-earth poetry.
Yeah.
Where suddenly you have an image of these, like, two English guys
They've been... had a band for almost, like, eight, seven, eight years now
And they just sit down and write this, like, beautiful song
With this central image of "Wild Horses Couldn't Drag Me Away"
That's one where you start to be like, "Oh, yeah, this is, like...
They're playing with, kind of, cliches and tropes
But they know how to do it."
And actually there is, like, a real depth there.
Yeah, no, you're right. I never... Yeah.
The Wild Horse is such a trope, but...
Somehow they, like, transcend it, which makes it even more powerful.
I remember an early Stones moment for me where I had a real breakthrough was Angie
I remember I had this, like, radio clock alarm on my bedside table in high school
And, like, it went off on, like, a Saturday morning at, like, 7.15 or something
Like, whatever, like, time I had to wake up for school
I guess it was earlier, probably
And Angie was on, like, the classic rock station
And it was, like, a rainy morning
And, like, there was a skylight in my room
And, like, I remember just watching the rain, like, pitter-patter off the skylight
And I listened to, like, Angie in its entirety
And I was just like, "Wow. Damn. That's a song."
That is a tasteful palette, and that's a hell of a song
I've always thought without... It's not the exact same chord progression
But I've always thought without Angie, there'd be no Hotel California
It starts with that A minor to the E7
Let's throw on Angie, and let's picture Jake on a rainy day in Connecticut
But let's also picture Morrissey in, like, 1994 in LA
Like, the Smiths broke up, he still thinks he hates the Stones
And this comes on
On a dark desert highway
Cool wind in my hair
When will those wildcards disappear?
Angie
Angie
Where will it lead us from here?
With no lovin' in our souls
And no money in our coats
You can say we're satisfied
But Angie
Angie
You can say we never tried
Angie, you're beautiful
But ain't it time we said goodbye?
Angie, I still love you
Remember all those nights we cried?
All the dreams we held so close
Seemed to all go a bit small
Let me whisper in your ear
Angie
Angie
Where will it lead us from here?
Beautiful song. And actually listening to it I realized
It's kind of in that same, um, put in the same folder as, uh
"I Will Always Love You"
'Cause it's not just a run-of-the-mill heartbreak song
"Oh, it ended, I'm sad, or I'm mad"
It's that thing in the middle, it's like
"I love you," but like, man
This isn't working
It is not working
Like, I don't know what to do
It's not working
Like, let's keep it real, we're not
You can't say we're satisfied
Which is even sadder
I hate that sadness in your eyes
I hate that sadness in your eyes, man
Angie
Ain't it time we said goodbye?
Ain't it time we said goodbye?
You know, of course, there are other ways
You can't say we haven't tried
We've broken up like nine times
Yeah
What are we doing here?
With no loving in our souls
And no money in our coats
And we're broke
Yeah
You can't say we're satisfied
He rhymes "souls" and "coats"
Yeah, and it works
Angie
I still love you
Oh yeah, this part
They just do this part once
Everywhere I look, I see your eyes
There ain't a woman that comes close to you
Come on, baby, dry your eyes
It's heavy
He's breaking up with the greatest woman he ever knew
I guess circumstance forced it
Angie
Ain't it good to be alive?
But it's a nice ending there
Yeah
Angie
You can't say we never tried
99 Rock Connecticut's classic rock
BLR on a Saturday morning
Jake, you're late
Oh, it was in the school day?
I don't remember
I just, it's very like, like Carl of Noseguard kind of past
Like, if I wrote my memoirs
If I wrote a six-volume memoir about my life
There'd be a 20-page passage about listening to Angie
As the rain pitter-pattered against the skylight
That could be amazing
Yeah, and you like go off on some flight of fancy
Think about something
And then you just like come
Then suddenly a new line in Angie is sung
And then another 10 pages
Yeah, it's three pages on like the leaves
On the maples as they're falling in the autumn light
And like stories within stories
Yeah, there's something to hearing that song again
And thinking about the
With no loving in our souls
Like somehow
It's a little bit contradictory
He says he still loves her
But something's broke, is broken
But then also no money in our coats
I also kind of wonder if it's like
They're like, like a guy and a girl
Some small town just like
Let's move to the big city, man
Let's do it
Oh my God, like I love you so much
We're gonna make this work
I got a buddy we can stay with
And then it's like three months deep
Nobody found a job
It's getting weird
No money in the coats
And it's just like we tried
It's an additional stress on the relationship
It's time to pack it up
Go our separate ways
Ain't it time we said goodbye
Should we listen to that
That Motown song we were gonna listen to
That your dad had the 45 of
Oh yeah, Sweet Soul Music
Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun
Do you like good music
That Sweet Soul Music
Just only this week
I love this song
Who is it by?
Arthur Connelly?
I'm a fanboy
I'm a fanboy too
I'm going to a go
Dancing with the music
Oh yeah, oh yeah
Spotlight on Lou Ross, y'all
Lou Ross
Lonely little boat, y'all
Sinking low to her to ding dong
Oh yeah, oh yeah
That's tight
This is "Three Lido" managed by Amantha's dad
By my father-in-law
Oh wow, Lou Ross?
Yeah
No, no, Arthur Connelly
Oh, was he a Capricorn?
Well no, this is pre-Capricorn when Phil was Otis' manager
He managed Otis Redding, right?
He managed Otis Redding
And Arthur Connelly was his protege
Oh, interesting
So he's shouting out Wilson Pickett in that second verse?
There you go
He also put him with, he put him with Dwayne Allman
And Connelly hated it
Straight up
James Brown, of course
The roots of 'em all, y'all
Oh yeah, oh yeah
Do you like the music
That sweet soul music
Just call me Miss Weenie
Oh yeah, oh yeah
I got to get the feeling
Do you like the music
That sweet soul music
Help me get the feeling
I want to get the feeling
Otis Redding got the feeling
Another Otis shout out
Great song
Yeah, it's like a pure shout out song
I guess, like, what else, there's also Genius of Love
They're just naming people
I guess James Brown
I wonder if it was meaningful to him that he got shouted out
In both Sweet Soul Music by Arthur Connelly
And Genius of Love by TomTom Club
James Brown? James Brown?
'Cause they're just, yeah, in that song they named Bob Marley, Curtis Blow
There's that, yeah, obviously the Stevie Wonder song about Duke Ellington
But that's just focused on Sir Duke
Yeah
There's definitely like a, it's definitely like a sub-genre
I'm sure there's a playlist out there on the internet
Was there ever a band who just shouted out a bunch of bands?
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, like, what's the, like, Sweet Soul Music version of, like
Like Brooklyn 2010
Or like 90s
Spotlight on Phosphorescent
Or the 90s
Do you like grunge music?
Sweet grunge music
Sweet grunge music
Spotlight on Candlebox, y'all
Spotlight on Layne Staley, y'all
But you gotta love that positive energy, man
It's cool
Pivoting from music, some big news in the Seinfeld fan community
That's true
Seinfeld, you wanna speak about this?
Yeah, no, some crazy stuff happened this week
Because Jerry Seinfeld was on stage at the Boston Theatre, Boston's Wang Theatre
Are you guys familiar with the Boston's Wang Theatre? Have you ever performed there?
No, what is, is it like part of a college or something?
I don't know, it's just like identified in this headline
It was opened in 1925 as the Metropolitan Theatre
And it was renamed the Music Hall, and now it's the Wang Theatre
So Jerry's on stage performing stand-up comedy, you know, for the masses
And usually Jerry does a Q&A at the end
And somebody said something like, "How'd you feel about the finale?"
And Jerry said, "Well, I have a secret for you about the ending, but I can't really tell it because it's a secret"
And then he went on to say, "Here's what I'll tell you, okay, but you can't tell anybody
Something is going to happen that has to do with that ending, hasn't happened yet"
And then he said, "And just what you were thinking about, the finale
Larry and I have been also thinking about it, so you'll see, we'll see"
And so, you know, this has gotten social media ablaze
It's all anybody's been able to talk about
People are really in a tizzy
Yeah, yeah, people are in a tizzy, for sure, you could definitely call it that
And I think the whole world is just wondering, well, what's going to happen?
Are we picking up? Are we continuing from the finale?
I've seen some people speculate that
That Jerry get iPad
I mean, you know, he might
There's been significant speculation that maybe Jerry get iPad
He might get iPhone, but don't jinx it, Ezra
Don't jinx it, because we don't really know
We don't know what him and friend of the show, LD, have cooking
But, you know, some people have speculated we might be looking at another Super Bowl ad
That's what was funny to me, is because Seinfeld always seemed like the show that wouldn't have a real reunion
Because, what was Larry's famous words about the worldview of the show?
As they wrote it was, "No hugging, no learning"
No learning, no hugging, no learning, yeah
It's a great ethos
And something about coming back, it just doesn't seem like the Seinfeld we know and love
And they did it!
On Curb!
They did it on Curb!
Which was the perfect backdoor way of doing it
They subverted it, yeah
Yeah, and that was great
So, and for some reason this one did seem to make a lot of noise
I'm sure your phone was blowing up, Seinfeld
I was getting people mentioning it to me too
There was excitement
So, just the idea that this could potentially just be a Super Bowl ad is so funny to me
Just people being like, "Oh my god, can you imagine the gang back together?"
And it's like, yeah, for 30 seconds on Super Bowl Sunday for Arby's
I mean, honestly, it's so realistic to me that Wieden and Kennedy hired someone to sit in that audience in Boston
And just say, "When they do the question and answer, just say this, and then Jerry's gonna say this, and then American Express, the ad will be out"
Like, it's just so...
Well, hang on, hang on, hang on
Let's not give up hope because this could be an entire new season
It could be an entire new season
Or maybe they're just bringing the show back, period
Maybe Netflix said, "Jerry, if you get the gang back together, as many seasons as you want"
He's like, "Yeah, you know, it's been kind of boring the last 30 years"
And then, for all we know, we'll get another nine seasons
I mean, that would be the dream, right?
So many iPads, all sorts of flat screen TVs
The sky's the limit
I feel like you'd have to just shut down your Twitter account
We got New Curb coming this fall
We got Pop-Tarts, we got the Pop-Tart movie
I'm really feeling, I don't know if you guys are feeling the vibe shift
And I'm holding out hope for a few new seasons
You could be
But if it was going to be a commercial, what would it be?
Because I can kind of picture something about, like, maybe it's like a longer commercial
Where they're, because that's been kind of a trend, is like, they do like a fake trailer
That's part of the commercial
Wasn't there like some thing, they're going to do a new Crocodile Dundee movie
But it's really just a conceptual framework for a commercial or something?
Like, I could see something, it's like, Larry and Jerry are having a coffee somewhere
And he's like, "People really didn't like the Seinfeld finale"
I know, they just didn't like it
Should we do a new one?
And then suddenly it's like this montage of them getting George and Elaine
And they film it, and then they're back at the coffee shop
And it comes out, and they read the papers
And it's like, they like this one even less
In life you don't always get a do-over
But with State Farm, something like that
I could really see that
Look, that's the practical, that's the realistic expectation for sure
That's a buzzkill
I'm going to throw you a little curveball though
Yeah
What if it's something a little bigger?
Usher, Raymond, Super Bowl halftime show
Right?
He stops, he's like, "Stop music!"
It's like, "Duh, duh, duh, duh"
Wait, hold up, hold up
Out comes, no, no, wait
The flat-form rises, Taylor Swift style
It's the entire cast
Even the secondary cast members
Oh, and they do a live 15-minute sketch
In the center of a stadium in Super Bowl
And also it's so echoey
But they're reading off the mics
They're holding mics
It's a table read
No, I don't even think it should be
I really think, they can get mic'd up
They got the little mics on their collar
Like a stage show
And it doesn't even come up from the ground
It's just like, "Alright, ladies and gentlemen"
It's like, "What's the feature?"
And then it's just, there's just like a
You know, like a
I guess the screen lifts behind them
And it's just the set of Seinfeld
And like, Kramer walks in
And they just perform a scene
That could be sick
How many thousand, how many, was it 100,000 people?
How about this, it's Usher's just going off
Performing his greatest hits
And then everybody's kind of, it's kind of weird
The camera kind of zooms past the stage
And the music kind of fades out
Into the crowd
And you see Jerry, George, and Elaine all bundled up
People start losing their sh*t
Kramer comes in
Holding a giant tub of popcorn
"Kramer, where'd you get that popcorn?"
"Oh, I know a guy who works here"
And then like, you know, the whole thing starts
And then like, Newman shows up
And he's like, and Jerry's like
"How did you get tickets to the Super Bowl, Newman?"
He's like, "I have my ways"
You know, it's just like, the whole thing takes place
Of the gang came to the Super Bowl
So we're in the crowd when this is happening
Exactly, we zoomed way past Usher
And then we suddenly just watched them
And then you get, you know, kind of like they do that on SNL
They put a celebrity in the crowd
And then all the people, all like the regular people
Sitting around are kind of going "Haha, haha, what? Haha"
You know, it'll be that kind of energy
And they say, "How did this happen?"
And Usher Raymond says
"When they asked me to do the Super Bowl, I said
There was only one thing I, there was only one way I would do it
And it was that if they brought the cast of Seinfeld back together
And I sort of could use my platform
You know, as an opportunity to redo the finale"
Roger Goodell, if you are listening
And I know you are
I'm going to give you a note here
This doesn't work unless it's a full hour-long episode
I'm talking about 45 minutes uninterrupted
You know, normally you'd see
In fact, you know what? You can put some commercials in between
Put some commercial breaks in between the Seinfeld halftime show
But I feel like we're looking at an extended Super Bowl here
To accommodate the glory
Because I don't think 15 minutes is going to cut it
That's not a true finale, that's not a pin-it
You know what? In fact, by the way
The guys can keep playing
You can even have the score on the screen
As long as the camera stays on the gang in their seats
Doing the show
You can still have the score changing
And they can keep playing
So are you seeing a picture-in-picture situation
With the game playing during the Seinfeld?
No, no, no, you can't see the game
The game continues
The referees continue to monitor it
All you really need to do is see the score anyway
Right?
I just want to play at this other idea
Which, do you think that
You know, there was a lot of conversation
I think around who could even
Who is an act that could play the Super Bowl?
Right
I'm just thinking, are they thinking small with music?
And is there an opportunity where you could have said
You know what? Maybe it's not going to be the whole 22 minutes
But what if our Super Bowl halftime show was Seinfeld?
Like a new episode of Seinfeld
Would people tune in?
So there's no music, it's just like
Halftime starts and there's a stage is on set
And you just watch sort of a stage play
But it's the Seinfeld, it's huge
It's like, would America watch
A funny but 22 minute halftime show
That was the new finale?
I love it, and I think that also begs the question
Because, yeah, people say who's big enough to play the Super Bowl?
The truth is we're running out of superstars
Once Taylor Swift does it, it's been done
And arguably Taylor Swift is too big to do the Super Bowl now
So I guess my question is
What is the NFL's sick obsession with music?
There's so many art forms that you could bring to the halftime
What is this bizarre obsession with popular music?
You know, first it always had to be a marching band
And then they got sick of that
Now it's always got to be music
Why can't it be a live performance of a TV show?
Why can't it be modern dance?
Why can't it be ballet?
Why can't it be...
Imagine if, a tribute to Jackson Pollock
They just put a big canvas at the 50 yard line
And then they had art students
From all around America
Come out and do a live splatter painting
I love this
What is this disgusting obsession with music?
Music has nothing to do with sports in the first place
Music and sports, that's not a famous combination?
No, it's like mixing cucumber and peanut butter or something
Popcorn and raisins
No, I mean that's a match made in heaven
I like where you're going with this though
Because, look, I did a little number crunching
Okay, how many people watched the Seinfeld finale
When it aired on NBC way back in '98?
76 million viewers
How many people watched the Super Bowl last year?
99 million viewers
I mean the difference between 76 and 99 is negligible
That's like the same amount
So what I'm saying is that Seinfeld has already proven
That he can bring in those big numbers
Well, not Seinfeld
The cast, the TV show has proven that it's big enough to do the Super Bowl
Although, again, why not have stand-up comedy for the halftime show?
Yes, no, no, of course
It's halftime, the people want a break from the sports
Let the guys go drink a Gatorade
Maybe get a little bit of body work done
Spotlight on the 50-yard line
Shane Gillis does a tight 15
How would you feel about Walter White and Jesse McKee?
So are we doing like opening acts to the headliner with the Seinfeld?
Walter White and Jesse
How would you guys feel about Walter White and Jesse making an appearance?
You know, Apple Music is producing the halftime show once again
What does that mean? We're off for January?
We've got some sway with the Apple Music family
I think what it means is that we're going to be co-producing this halftime show
Are you pitching a Time Crisis halftime show?
First of all, they'd save so much money
They'd just bring out four chairs, microphone
And we just do a live Top 5
I'm begging the NFL, think outside the box
And I say this as a musician
I say this as a musician, the people are tired of music always being in that slot
And you guys, you ran out of superstars
Sorry, you did it
And we're not saying it has to be Time Crisis
No, it could be
It doesn't have to be
No, we are saying that
It could be a true crime podcast
Dude, a live podcast?
I love this
You know what I think it is?
I think it's an hour of Zane Lowe
Followed by Time Crisis
And then, ooh, a fifth chair pulls up
Who is it?
Friend of the show, Usher Raymond
First time ever on TC
No music
Just conversation about, you know, Wendy's latest venture
And that's actually what's happening
Okay guys, now we spoiled it ourselves
Hey, Usher, what's your favorite Stones record?
The Halftime Show is a live Time Crisis featuring guest Usher Raymond
Peace out, A-Town
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Okay, okay
Usher, Usher, Usher, Usher
Let's go, Usher
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Let's go
In the club with my homies
Tryna get a little V.I.
Keep it down on the low key
But you know I'm a E
I saw this shorty, she was checking up on me
From the game she was sitting in my ear
You would think that she knew me
But we decided to chill
Conversation got heavy
She had me feeling like she's ready to blow
Watch out, watch out
She said, "Come get me"
So I got up and followed her to the floor
She said, "Baby, let's go"
When I told her, I said, "Yeah"
Shorty got down, she said, "Come and get me"
I got so caught up, I got your tongue
Her and my girls could be the best of homies
Next thing I knew, she was all up on me, screaming
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
But then, because like a lot of people who get that Super Bowl platform
You know like when Coldplay, they kicked it over to Beyonce and Bruno Mars
Because they wanted to use their time
We're gonna be interviewing Usher
And then you know what?
Hey Dax Shepard, you ask a few questions
Hey Mark Maron, call her daddy
Everybody gets one question
And then people are like, "Oh, okay, I see"
It's not just about time crisis
These are kind of like really generous guys
It's more about just internet radio and podcasts in general
Jokerman, what's up?
Steven Heiden, you just started a podcast
And then fireworks go off
And that's the third quarter
What's wrong with that?
I mean, I love that
I think we just produced the halftime show
I mean, to be honest, I think that we could still do this
Because all they've announced is that it's Usher
They haven't said what Usher's doing
But, Usher, why'd you do it?
He's doing a big press conference
Guys, am I the only one who's gonna say it?
We're sick of music at the halftime show
I could sing and dance my ass off
But you come see me at my residency in Vegas
If you wanna see Usher singing and dancing
What about getting to know me?
What about seeing me react to the top five songs this week in 1978?
What about that kind of stuff?
I've been doing music since the 90s
I'm speaking as Usher right now
And nobody ever asked me if I'd even heard of "Built to Spill"
Let alone what my favorite song by them was
And now I get to do that in front of all of America?
Yeah, that's pretty... that's why I did it
I get to do that in front of 99 million people
You know, I wanna say that I have to feel that no matter who's performing
There's gotta be a serious retention problem
Whether it's Rihanna, Usher, just keeping people through it
And just to help with the pitch
I would say that if we did this
I think, just realistically, there'd be such a level of confusion
That I do think people would watch it
I don't see people turning it off just simply out of uncertainty
Do you know what I mean?
I don't think people would be like, "Oh, gotta go, this is boring"
I think people would be like, "I don't know, there was a glitch in the Matrix or something"
Totally
And also, we'd have an easier time integrating advertisers into what we do
Than Usher would
Because it'd be so weird if just in the middle of the halftime show
Usher started talking about eating Doritos
Eating Doritos or talking about Doritos
But in a conversational format
We could say like, "Usher, what's your favorite Frito-Lay product?"
For instance, or say, "Usher, when you get the big variety pack
Of the little bags of the Frito-Lays, let's keep it real
What's the last one there? Is it Fritos?"
And he'd be like, "You know what's funny? For me, no
It's not Fritos. I eat the Fritos first. Get out of here!"
"Okay, you don't even have to cut to commercial
Because we're giving you everything
What number Super Bowl is this?"
200? At this point, what is it?
It's gotta be...
I think we're in the 50s
The 200-50s
200?!
I think it started in 1969 or '67 or something
The first Super Bowl was in 1776
No, I think the first Super Bowl was probably...
Yeah, I'm guessing early '60s
Are we at like '60? '50?
I think '67
I think it's '57
Yeah
Super Bowl 2022 was...
Yeah, you're right, '57
So this would be '58 if I'm doing the math right
Wait, so you're adding 1 to '57?
If the Super Bowl was a person, they'd be Gen X
I guess so, yeah
Late '60s?
Who's older, the Super Bowl or Eddie Vedder?
It would be a boomer
Gen X cuts off at '56
Yeah
We're doing young boomer Super Bowl era
Oh, wait, so you're saying it's '60?
I'm confused
Wait, hold on, the math is wrong here
Yeah, hold on
Let's slow down
Gen Z age range?
No, not Gen Z age range
What number Super Bowl is this coming up?
Oh, '58
What year did the Super Bowl start?
So what year did it start?
I mean, it started in 1965
It started in '67
It started in '67?
Oh, because they skipped some
They skipped some?
Because of the war in Iraq?
I don't know, I just have a memory
Matt, watch this
Matt, you're the only one
We can't do the number
Matt, get on the mic, just explain the story
Just tell us what's going on
The Super Bowl started in 1967
It was the Chiefs and the Packers
It has not skipped a Super Bowl for the war in Iraq or any other reason
So that would put us at Super Bowl...
I just don't get the math though
It should be '57 coming up
Super Bowl '58
2024 though would have made it started '66, no?
Do we not count...
The math ain't math
I think you're right, they skipped it because of the war in Iraq
All the football team owners
It just didn't feel right to them
Didn't feel right
Okay, I don't know why it's '58, not '57, but whatever
Which makes it a boomer, right?
No, that's Gen X
Okay, so the Super Bowl was born in '67
What year was Eddie Vedder born?
I'm gonna say '64
I'm guessing
Eddie Vedder is... hang on
December 23, 1964
Woo!
What year was... Kurt was born in '67, I think
I think you're right
What month was Kurt born?
February '67, February 20th
Wait, what was the date of the first Super Bowl?
First Super Bowl, January 15, 1967
Wow, so one month later, Kurt was born
'67 is a crazy year
I was just talking with Jake actually when we were hanging out about '67
So not only did '67 have the first Super Bowl
And then Kurt was born a month later
But I actually just looked this up
We may have talked about this to some extent in the past
But I'm gonna name you the artists who released their debut album in 1967
Obviously every year you get hundreds if not thousands of people releasing their debut album
Every year you could probably find somebody notable release their debut album
But check this out, 1967 debut albums
The Doors, Grateful Dead, David Bowie, Van Morrison, Velvet Underground, Pink Floyd, Leonard Cohen, Jimi Hendrix, Traffic, and Janis Joplin
With Big Brother and The Holding Company
I mean that's a crazy year
And I didn't even realize that in a sense the Super Bowl dropped their debut album in 1967
What was in the water, man?
But anyway, the Super Bowl is a Gen Xer, it's slightly younger than Eddie Vedder
Basically the exact same age as Kurt Cobain
So I guess the last Super Bowl that Kurt watched was Super Bowl 27 in '94
Was he watching the Super Bowl?
Do we know? Was he an NFL guy?
He could track his birthday as well as Super Bowl, that's crazy
Who knows?
It's funny, I was just on some random like thinking about what music
You know what I was just thinking about this week?
And this is also maybe proof that time crisis doesn't stop when we stop recording
I wonder if Kurt listened to Check Your Head by the Beastie Boys
I didn't look it up but it just kind of crossed my mind
And then I was like I wonder if Kurt ever heard Sabotage
And then I looked it up and actually Sabotage came out like maybe a month after Kurt died
So he would not have heard any of Ill Communication
I don't know if he ever heard
I could see Kurt maybe not even checking out Check Your Head when it came out in '92
Because he was like, you know, oh man Beastie Boys
I remember that fight for your right to party, that jock rap stuff, not cool man
I could see that too
I don't think he liked it because I'm finding this Rolling Stone article that said
He said white people shouldn't rap
Specifically I think pointing to the Beastie Boys
What year did he say that?
Because that would have also been the Vanilla Ice era
I mean unless, I mean that, well, no a few years later
There's a list you always see of Kurt's top 50 albums that he wrote out for like some magazine
No rap in there
Maybe Kurt was saying I don't think white people should rap because I don't think anybody should rap
Not a fan of the genre
To quote Jerry Garcia, rap's not music
The harshest Jerry quote
Can't find, it's just a lot of people referring back to something that he said
But I can't find the actual source of the quote
Maybe Kurt didn't like Check Your Head and he specifically was like
You know what, I was a huge fan of ill communication, fight for your right to party, girls
I love the kind of satirical frat boy thing that they were doing, I think that was genius
They lost me at Paul's Boutique and by the time of Check Your Head
I had officially come to my conclusion that white people shouldn't rap
He spoke on this in '91
Okay so it's before Check Your Head
Check Your Head might have changed his mind
I'd like to think that Kurt would have seen the So What You Want video on MTV
He might have been checking out MTV in '92 right?
Or at least be like sitting in a weird
He was on it all the time
Yeah
Maybe Kurt said white people shouldn't rap in '91
And then in '92 he heard this
And he had kind of a Morrissey and McJagger moment
And realized like wow
I said white people shouldn't rap but
If they can find out a way to fuse punk rock, skateboarding and alternative culture with hip hop
In a way that feels true both to themselves and the genre
Then I'm down
You know dismissal is a form of arrogance
So I feel like I've really short changed the Beastie Boys
I love this, I'm seeing these comment threads beneath the article that said you shouldn't rap
Instead of saying I wonder what they
He thought of Check Your Head
This comment says I love Kurt but I wonder if he would have changed his mind after listening to Eminem
[Laughter]
Hell yeah
1991 a young man in Michigan
Picks up a copy of Rolling Stone
And reads a quote from Kurt Cobain
Saying white people shouldn't rap
He gets so fired up
He starts practicing rapping
Every day morning to night
That boy's name, Marshall Mathers
Great origin story
I'll prove you wrong Kurt
Wait can we hear So What You Want?
This still sounds great
Yeah I've not heard this in a long time
And this is grunge
How so?
I just mean
Distortion pedal
It's distorted raw early 90's music
Like
Yeah
Dave Grohl is kind of like nodding his head to this
Uh huh
Oh
Yeah
You can't fuck on that
I do remember at the time like
Like the like the distortion
Like basically putting your vocals through like a distortion pedal was like
Very like
It sounded really extreme to me
At the time
I mean it's a
Even now this is like a big swing
Yeah
I think one of them is wearing a plaid shirt in the video for this
Yeah I can see that
That fish eye in the part
Sorry Kurt you can't front on that
Honestly that guitar part is kind of demonic
Yeah
I can totally see that as like a weird solo on like a song off incesticide or something
Oh yeah totally
I'm really curious what Kurt thought of this
If anybody has any information send an email to
What's the email timecrisis2000
8minutecapecod
8minutecapecod@gmail.com
Oh great
Yeah yeah timecrisis2000 the twitter account
Yeah 8minutecapecod
That's the numeral 8 by the way the numeral 8 not the word 8
We are willing to pay top dollar for any information about whether or not Kurt Cobain heard
So What You Want or anything off check your head
And how he felt about it
And I love just like that grungy riff and then into the money mark
I mean I bet these guys crossed paths
It must have like at some like MTV music awards or something
92 93
You think they would have been at least in the same room at some point
I bet they were
The only BC's records I really listened to were that one and then the one after
Ill Communication
Yeah those two always feel like kind of a pair
That one starts with that Cheap Trick sample
This is the first song
Of our new album
Yeah and then the next album has like Sure Shot and Sabotage
Both very strong albums
Okay I found an article by Michael Azarad
Oh friend of the show well
Has he ever been on the show? We should have him on the show sometime
No I tried to have him on once and I don't know
He was in fact he was the one that put us in touch with Jack and Dino
I don't think he has
He has not been on
But he got us in touch with Jack and Dino
Yeah when we were doing the Herm Yarl episode I reached out to him
That sounds about right
I was like you want to come on the show? He's like you should reach out to Jack and Dino
And he put us in touch
Well Michael Azarad for people who don't know
Legendary writer he wrote the great book Our Band Could Be Your Life
And he wrote a major Nirvana book Come As You Are
Come As You Are
And he actually like spent time with Kurt
So he wrote in 1992 he was writing for Rolling Stone
And he wrote an article Nirvana Public Enemy Beastie Boys Cross The Pond For Reading Fest
Oh I've seen footage of Nirvana performing at Reading
I think that's a classic right?
Yeah they're ripping
Pavement was over there
I mean so who knows all these people could have
That's another Kurt Cobain hypothetical I've pondered to myself
What did Kurt think of Slanted and Enchanted?
Right
He died the month that Crooked Rain Crooked Rain came out
He definitely would have heard Slanted at some point
It's so interesting because I wonder if Kurt
Kurt was so familiar just like you know
Malcomus with the independent alternative music of the 1980s
I wonder if it would have been hard for Kurt to like give it up
Just because he might just like know the references so well
Oh you guys like The Fall you guys like R.E.M.
Okay getting live
Yeah the singing is a little bit like Dinosaur Jr. who I'm sure Kurt loved
Oh yeah
He said he I can't find the album
But I'm finding something that said that Kurt Cobain said he listened to
The last Pavement album and liked it
Okay
So I just can't find which Pavement album
He had like an advanced copy of Crooked maybe?
Can't find which one
Is there a date on that article?
No no I'm digging I'm digging
Oh Matt's got a date
'94 so
Okay so he heard Crooked
Maybe he did have an advanced copy
I understand why people don't want to just be out doing interviews all the time
And talking about do they like this or that record
But you should just maybe have a private notebook with a note
Do not open until I'm dead
Where you just kind of list this kind of stuff for future generations
Just like Kurt going through all the records of '91, '92
And just you know maybe just a yay or nay type thing
Or just speak on it the way Morrissey did
Have opinions and then walk him back if you're wrong later
For future scholars studying Vampire Weekend
This show will be no help
Yeah
On Ezra's opinions
You'll have to really read between the lines
Yeah
I think when the show started I was more mostly just concerned
Like I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings
I don't want to put negativity out there
The truth is though
We've been doing this a long time and as I've gotten older
I really don't have strong opinions
You know I have strong opinions on our music and how it should sound
But like when I picture a Morrissey who's so in his feelings
About like he has to swing between like
I hated the Stones, they were vile
And I was like weird to Mick Jagger
And then years later I felt terrible because I realized they're great
I don't relate to either side of that
I'm just kind of like alright man
Maybe I'll have a moment with it one day
Maybe I won't
Either way it's just one man's opinion
And I like the fact that you're out there doing your thing
You know like
I just
Living that live man
Like you know Nick is a huge Zach Bryan fan
I've heard a bit on the show
I haven't had my Zach Bryan moment personally
I haven't listened to a full album or anything
So I literally haven't had my moment
So I haven't had my Zach Bryan moment
But I'm just not gonna
I just can't say yet that
The idea I heard a few Zach Bryan songs
And I come out like a big opinion
I would be frontin'
Maybe I used to kind of want to like obscure my true taste
Out of fear
Or kindness or who knows
Now this is really how I feel
If you're out there
It's true to your
You know character that you are
Like you said it's sort of
More a supporter of people just doing their thing
Right?
I think yeah
It's very true to Morrissey's character
To be like sort of a judgmental prick
And that's who he is
And but what's also really
You know it's sort of very sweet
That he's also willing
I feel like a Bredy Stenellis type to be honest
I got these really strong opinions
I won't even
I'll tell you them right away
And then guess what?
Once they settle
Maybe I was wrong
And I'm happy to admit it
Yeah absolutely
It's just an opinion
And even then
If you truly are trying to get into that
That like live and let live
Like vibe
Not only do you have to be chill about
Records that get you excited
Records that leave you cold
And realize who knows how you'll feel
Who knows?
These are all just passing feelings
Anyway you also have to be okay with
The sh*t talkers
You know I used to take it more personally
If I was like oh somebody in the band didn't
Somebody in some other band said something
Or wished us ill
And I'd always think
God why would you do that?
I wouldn't do that
And even now I'm like
Well but they would
They're on their own trip man
You gotta
It's very zen dude
You gotta try
But one thing I know for sure
Is I like so what you want
I think it still sounds great
And it just
I just want to know what Kurt thought
Jake what about back in the 90s
What did you think about Sabotage?
Loved it
What an amazing set of voices
Yeah
And that the fact that they made so many
Kind of like important songs
Is crazy
I vaguely remember like trying to play Sabotage
Even when I was like in 8th grade or something
With like a band just realizing like
Nobody could do the vocals
Nobody other than Ad-Rock
Yeah I was gonna say the Ad-Rock vocal
In particular was just so awesome
You wanna hear a cool song that I heard
Going down my Beastie Boys
Walk down memory lane the past week
Can you play Egg Raid on Mojo?
I hadn't heard the song in such a long time
And I remember
It's incredible
My friend had their
The compilation called Some Old Bullsh*t
That was all like
It was their 80s stuff
When they were like literally like a 15 year old
Hardcore band
And then they started making their kind of
Jokey novelty records
This is like before the Beastie Boys
As most people know them
And a lot of the hardcore stuff is like
Kind of like yeah alright
It sounds like hardcore
But this one
One of the hardcore songs
Egg Raid on Mojo
I heard it and like
Sent a chill up my spine
Cause like I remember being
You know 12, 13
And hearing this
And like having this like vision of like
The young Beastie Boys
Being in a New York hardcore band
In the early 80s
It's a special song
Any Beastie Boys like proper fan
Knows this song very well
And they would even still bust it out
Decades later
Let's listen to Egg Raid on Mojo
Kate Show and Bach on drums
It really feels like kids to me
Yeah
Like it would have been the soundtrack
The movie kids
Yeah I mean it feels so
It feels very young
It feels like 15
Like they sound so
They're talking about like
Throwing eggs at somebody
That must be what an egg raid is
Yeah
Did you ever read the
Their autobiography
Oral History
Spike did a lot with it
Really good
But also like
The chords are still
Kind of like serious
I'm sure they thought it was funny
But it's like
Like you could totally hear
Like a punk song from this era
But it'd be like about
Something like heavy and political
But then you go back
And you look and you're like
They would bust this out
Throughout their career
Like they'd be like
Tibetan Freedom Festival
Like 1996
And they're like
Bust out Egg Raid on Mojo
And then you like see some festival
In the 2000s
They do a quick Egg Raid on Mojo
Great song
That rules
Egg Raid on Mojo
I think that's Mike D on vocals
I feel like he definitely had
A touch of Ian McKay
In that
Oh yeah
In that vocal approach
They're definitely listening
To Minor Threat
Yeah
Seinfeld
Is there any information
About whether or not
Kurt Cobain ever heard
Egg Raid on Mojo?
Think Seinfeld bailed?
No he went to the library
To look up if Kurt Cobain
Ever heard Egg Raid on Mojo
White people shouldn't rap
They should make hardcore songs
Like Egg Raid on Mojo
Mojo
Here's a little story
Behind Mojo
The offices of Mojo magazine?
No
Mojo
So Egg Raid on Mojo
Was about one of our
Regular customers
Mojo was a large
I gotta figure out
What were the
Who he's saying the customers of
But Mojo was a large
Gregarious
Very handsome
Ska style doorman
And more than one
Hip boy downtown
Oh he was
He must have been
At one of these clubs
He was a
Was the door at a punk club?
He was yeah
He was like the bouncer
At a punk club
Or one of the
Honestly one of these dance
I mean when you read about it
They're like going downtown
To a lot of these
They're hardcore clubs
But they're also kind of like
Dance clubs
He was a genuinely okay guy
But his gig led him to being a bit
I'm hot and know it
One lame vibe indeed
So yeah this was them
I think
Throwing eggs at
Essentially a bouncer
Yeah
Egg Raid on Mojo
Big news out of Minnesota recently
You guys hear about this?
The Replacements album
Tim was reissued
With a new mix
I love that not only is
Time Crisis late on like
Kind of big picture news
We're even late on kind of like
Niche independent music news
Like I think
I think that Tim reissued
Kind of like already made a big splash
Like three weeks ago
Precisely
Jake were you excited
To hear the Tim remix?
Not really
I like the Replacements
But I don't have like a deep
Deep history with the Replacements
And I'm also pretty
Generally pretty skeptical
When it comes to these like
Deluxe album reissues
I just find them to be
Kind of overwhelming and bloated
Generally
And I usually don't find that
The new remastering or whatever
Is really that revealing
Or edifying
In this case
You did like it?
In this case I did actually
Because this was a straight up
Like a true remix
Like down to the studs
Kind of
Yeah
And I listened
I did kind of A/B it
I listened to like
Because there is on Apple Music
You can listen to like
You know whatever
Like a 2012 remaster or whatever
And then you listen to like
The new remix
And like
One of the reasons I've kind of
Struggled with the Replacements
Over the years
Is that like
Kind of how I struggled initially
With the Smiths too
Is that their album sounded
Very 80s to me
And as like a 90s kid
It was tough
Like
I knew that like the bands
Like Nirvana
That I loved in the 90s
You know
They loved R.E.M. and the Replacements
And I had listened to like
R.E.M. and Replacements records
From like the mid 80s
And like
The palette was rough
Like I'm a 70s guy
And I'm a 90s guy
Right
And as has been documented on the show
80s is a tough
Tough pill for me to swallow
And so I've never
Like gone
I've never had like a deep
Deep connection
With the Replacements
Because of the palette
The distasteful palette of the 1980s
Yeah man
And like it didn't seem deliberate
Like
It seemed like they were like
Recording in a big studio
And like weren't in control
Of like their sound
Like I just
I remember always feeling that
And the number one thing
That's different to me
Is the drum sound
Because it's the drum sound
That above all
Marks it as being 80s
Like
Play the original Bastards of Young
And then we'll listen to the
The remix
Because Bastards of Young
Is such a good song
Amazing
It had a very tasteful video
See listen to that snare
Like the guitar tone
Could live in the 90s
Yep
And his voice
It doesn't matter what reverb
You put on it
His voice is like
A timeless
Grungy
Punky
One of the great rock voices
Right?
Such a good voice
I mean in some ways
He's like the original Kurt
Just like this like
Natural
Yep
Kind of like rough
But like
Perfect voice
And he could sing
Like hit all the notes
And be like
Really get up there
I might take it back
To John Lennon
But yeah
I think Paul Westerberg
Is like a cool midpoint
Between Lennon and
Cobain or something
Right
Alex Chilton of course
But Westerberg is always scratchy
Yeah I know
And also that's why like
The replacements are different
From Dinosaur Jr.
Nirvana is different from Pavement
Is that
Other bands have like
The kind of
Slightly more like
Laid back
Well you said
You know like kind of
Yeah
Intellectual cool guy
But these are like
And I guess
I see what you mean about Lennon
Because these are primal screams
There's no like
Detached kind of like
It's not
Cool guy in a college town
And I love that
Dude that has its place
I don't wanna
I mean yeah we love
90's apathy
But we also love
80's earnestness
Midwest earnestness
Yeah
I mean
Midwest earnestness
Ok so let's listen to the remix
Wow
Already huge difference
See how much
Tighter the screen is
Now you can actually picture
They could have played this
On 90's radio
And they could have actually
Taken this remix a step further
And made it even less 80's
But it still is a big difference
You can hear the
The particulars of his vocal performance
Better too
Yeah
And Kurt
I love the replacements
Because I forget which song it is
I don't have it at the tip of my tongue
But there's a song on Unutero
That quotes from Androgynous
Oh really?
The replacement song
Yeah yeah
Elvis in the ground man
I never totally understood
That line in the original
I just always love
In the beginning
Dreams unfulfilled
Graduate unskilled
Such a great couplet
Yeah I mean it's almost like
It's almost like a Bob Seger song
Like in terms of it's themes
But it's also like weirdly
Ahead of his time to say
I mean dreams unfulfilled
It's pretty Bruce
That could be anybody but
Graduate unskilled is so good
Because it's like
It's not about being a dropout
Or not graduating
It's actually ahead of it's time
To be like
What if I told you
That education would be so
Kind of like devalued
And the economy would be so crazy
That you graduate
And you're still not skilled enough
To do anything
It's kind of like a new idea
Yeah that's heavy
It's a little bit Sopranos vibes
Didn't get in on the ground floor man
The ones who love us least
Are the ones who will die to please
That's just an eternally good lyric
The ones who love us least
Are the ones who will die to please
Yeah
That would hit in any era
Yep
We are the sons of no one
That's the reason we're here
We are the sons of no one
That's the reason we're here
We are the sons of no one
That's the reason we're here
We are the sons of no one
That's the reason we're here
We are the sons of no one
My favorite song on this record
might be Swingin' Party
Oh yeah
And that Swingin' Party
really is set a moment
with the younger generation
It has
Let's throw on Swingin' Party
Because this is time crisis
we're not here to tell you about
a classic alternative album
No
from the 80s
even though it is a very strong album
We're here to talk about
corporate food history
I love this one
Swingin' Party playing underneath
It's a great combo
Yeah, I mean, Ezra
you dropped a bombshell on the thread
about a week ago
Yeah
I was out in western New York
in an area that had some Tim Hortons
And I did some digging
and I was like
because I was like
Oh, is this part of New York?
about an hour from Buffalo
And I was wondering
like, well, is this part of New York
always had Tim Hortons?
Because it's close to Canada
No, this particular area
these were pretty brand new
because Tim Hortons
is making a big push in the States
And anyway, while I was there
that was my local coffee shop
had a lot of great coffees at Timmy's
and I tried their omelet bites
which were pretty good too
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait
They're doing omelet bites now?
Yeah, they're doing omelet bites
Damn
They have two types of omelet bites
It's great if you want to have
a kind of protein type breakfast
Do they call it a bit or a bite?
I think a bite
Yeah, because they have Timbits
Omelet bits
I just feel like you'd
Omelet bits
I mean, it doesn't sound as appealing
They should have just called them
They should have called them lit bits
Do you say omlet or omlet?
I say omlet
Omlet, omlet
Omlet, yeah, it's lit
Lit bit
Omlet, omlet, omlet, omlet
A lit bit doesn't
I don't know
I'd like a glass of orange juice
and an omelet
So I was eating lit bits
and drinking great coffee
at Tim Hortons
and maybe this Replacements album
was on my mind because of the reissue
and the de-80sfication of the remix
So whatever
I was thinking about the Replacements a bit
and then I'm sitting
with my Tim Hortons coffee
looking at the beautiful red cup
with the white Tim Hortons logo on it
and then I just realized
Wait a second
This is the exact same font
and writing as the Replacements album
and I look at the Replacements cover
where it says Tim
and then I look back at the cup
and I say this is exactly the same man
They got the Tim from Tim Hortons
So immediately
I hit up the boys on the thread
We're doing some digging
Well hold on a sec
When was the first
Tim Hortons opened in America?
And anybody who's listening
I encourage you just
look at the Replacements album
then look up Tim Hortons logo
It's the same
and it's the same word
Tim
It's so similar
And so we're doing some digging
Well hold on
Did they have Tim Hortons
in Minnesota in the 80s?
That sounds like something
that could be true
But it's not
I was thoroughly convinced
for like 10 minutes
that like
Yes, of course
That's why they named it
And also because like
you know, they did Let It Be
which is like a cheeky reference
to like the Beatles obviously
They're not afraid of like
naming their records after things
After like really funny things
Right
Yes, you could totally picture
Even like Pleased to Meet Me
sounds like something
I don't know
So like
I was like yeah, of course
It's definitely named after Tim
Tim Hortons
Like
Hey Paul, you wanna go get some donuts
from that new Canadian chain
that opened in St. Paul?
Yeah man, let's check it out
It's like man, I really like this
Tim, who the hell is Tim Horton?
I don't know man
Should we call our album Tim Horton?
Yeah, let's call our album Tim Horton
No, I gotta
Let's just call it Tim
You could see it
But it turns out
there was no Tim Hortons
in Minnesota
until 2016
Yeah, I gotta hear it
The first two Tim Hortons in the US
opened in Florida in 1981
but were closed shortly thereafter
How hard is it to believe
that they would have just did like a little
you know, trip up north?
Well, they might have
We'll get to that
I mean, this isn't
They're not in Florida
Hold on, hold on
First of all, I gotta say
I gotta say though
just that piece
that the first two Tim Hortons in the US
opened in Florida in '81
and almost immediately closed
I mean, I guess
whoever was running Tim Hortons at the time
was not a big fan of military strategy
First of all, there's nothing but enemy territory
between Florida and Canada
That's true
And now, your trucking route
you're so far from the home base
I think that's
it's called a forward operating base
where you just kind of drop your guys
out in the middle of nowhere
and say good luck
But you need some serious strategy to do that
because you need a way to get them supplies
I don't know
They opened their forward operating base
way too deep
and it's crazy to me
that they didn't make
some strategic incursions
into like, you know, Vermont
Washington State
or maybe Montana, North Dakota
Minnesota
Yeah, Minnesota
These are not particularly dense states
that are also poorly defended
I mean, Vermont
Timmy could have made it in there
Yeah
Totally
So anyway
I love the backstory about why
the first two Tim Hortons in America
opened in Florida in '81
because that to me is just nuts
Can I suggest it's for the snowbirds?
It's an outpost for the snowbirds
Oh, ooh, okay
Flying from Canada
Okay, we got a lot of them
Venturing
Right?
I'm bringing a little Canadian knowledge
I'm trying to bring a little Canadian theory
That's really smart
No, I mean
I mean, I could be wrong
Sally, what the
Hey, Sally, what the hell is a Cuban
Wait
I can't do the bad Canadian accent
Hey, Sally, what the hell is a Cuban coffee?
I don't want a Cuban
What is a Cuban coffee?
I don't want to drink a Cuban coffee
Where's the Tim Hortons?
I want Timmy's
I don't want a Cuban
What's a Cuban sandwich?
I want a Tim Hortons sandwich
Cafe Galeche
Cafe Galeche
The what?
Well, in my mind, the album Tim by the Replacements
Was inspired and named after Tim Hortons
I don't care what the facts say
It's an emotional truth
Is it possible that it's the other way?
Let's go a step further
Is it possible that Tim Hortons was named after Tim the album by the Replacements?
No
It's very possible
The timeline doesn't quite add up
No, I think
Wait, hold on, let's go a step further
Because, you know, I really thought I just, like, cracked something insane
Of course it turns out that many Canadian Replacements fans have been noticing this forever
So at least I felt justified
I'm not the only one who thinks this is basically the exact same font and the same word
We did a little, you know
Could the Replacements have known about Tim Hortons?
The answer is sure
Their first concert in Canada was in September '84 in Windsor, Ontario
At the University of Windsor
That tracks
That was before the album Tim came out
There are currently 41 Tim Hortons in Windsor
We can't say for sure how many Tim Hortons there were in Windsor in '84
But I'm betting a few
But then here's the thing
I found an actual article about all this
And by the way, the Tim Horton logo is based on the real-life Tim Horton signature
Because Tim Horton was a famous NHL player
And it barely has changed since those days
So it's not like this is just a...
I don't know, it's not like they're using
I don't know, like the New York Times font
Or Helvetica or something
You know what I mean?
It's like this is a font based on the guy's handwriting
Wait, wait, wait, but my man's handwriting looks like a font
It's a little too clean
No, no, it's based on it, but it's designed
I'm looking at this, it says it was designed
They smoothed it out, they quantized it
Jeff Halpin is, I think, the designer of the font
Jeff Halpin and Turner Duckworth
Okay, so Halpin takes the font, okay
They based the font off of his signature
Okay, okay
But check this out
There's a whole article about the album cover
Which was designed by Deborah DeSteffen
And there's an article where they actually interviewed her
I think Robert Longo did the paintings
And she kind of like laid it out
So when asked in 2013 if the cover had any ties to the Tim Hortons logo
She said, "Absolutely not
I've just learned of Tim Hortons in the last year or two
I think I saw it in Penn Station in New York"
So she really shut it down
And you know, I saw that, I was a bit deflated
And I said, "Well, I guess there's no connection"
But then the more I look at it, it's so similar
And the word is the same
I'm a Tim-truther
I might be a Tim-truther too
And also I was thinking about, you know
With all due respect to the designer
Is it possible that she or somebody on her team
Did kind of yank it from Tim Hortons
And maybe all these years later someone comes snooping around
Saying, "Did you use it?"
Because, you know, sometimes you do have to actually license fonts and stuff
So who knows?
Maybe she just didn't want a headache or to cause problems for the band
And she was like, "I've literally never heard of that"
I don't know
Alright, here, I think we're getting closer
Guys, according to the liner notes from the "Let It Bleed" edition
Tim took its name from a patch on a thrift store jacket
That Bob Stinson liked to wear
According to his brother and bandmate Tommy
So who's to say the jacket wasn't a Tim Hortons jacket?
Maybe it was a Tim Hortons uniform jacket
That's exactly
And maybe they sent a picture to the designer saying
"Oh yeah, this is the jacket we based it off of"
And she was like, "Oh, cool font"
I don't know
And if it is just a coincidence
Then the universe is trying to tell us something
You know, some people say there are no coincidences
I don't know if that's true
But this type of coincidence, it still means something
It means that the spirit of the replacements is alive at Tim Hortons
I'm looking at some vintage eBay Tim Hortons jackets
That look cool, absolutely like someone in the replacements would wear
And it just says Tim Hortons right on the chest
Logo, absolutely
How about this?
A punk rocker from Windsor, Ontario
Took their older brother's Tim Hortons jacket
Stitched out the Hortons
Because their name was Tim
Imagine you're an Ontario based punk rocker
In the 1980s named Tim
And you grab your brother's jacket
You stitch out the Hortons so it just says your name
Then you cover it in like punk patches and stuff
You leave it at a party in Minneapolis
Ends up in a thrift store
Bob Stinson buys it, he's wearing it all the time
Sends a picture to the designer
There could be something there
What you're saying isn't even that far fetched
I think that has to have happened
There's no way that they have the same font
We know they're in Minneapolis
We know they're not far from the Canadian border
We know that easily that jacket can make its way to a thrift store in Minneapolis
There's a lot of circumstantial evidence
I understand but I'm saying
We don't have a smoking gun but yes
This is our chaos
We know that it doesn't end with us cracking the case
And it's very possible that Debra DeStefano is telling 100% the truth
She doesn't want the smoke either
She's like no I didn't do it
Also this is her recollection 40 years later
Exactly
I don't know about that
Maybe she was busy with other elements of the design
And she doesn't exactly remember where the font came from
I believe her that she never heard of Tim Hortons
Until the 2010s
But that doesn't change all this
Bring your own lampshade
Somewhere there's a party
Here it's never ending
Can't remember when it started
Pass around the lampshade
There'll be plenty enough room in jail
If being wrong's a crime
I'm serving forever
If being strong's your kind
Then I need help here with this feather
If being afraid is a crime
We hang side by side
At the swinging party down the line
Are you saying though that a graphic designer
Their whole world is seeing logos, iconography, semiotic symbolism in the world
Is not aware of the corporate iconography of the most popular coffee chain in Canada
I believe that she believes that she doesn't know
I think that you see that cover
We have to get her travel records from the 80s
Did you ever step foot in Canada?
Cause maybe she was like, you know what?
I did go to a wedding in Toronto in like late '84
Is this a Freedom of Information Act request?
Can we check the files?
But like you said, maybe she or somebody else on the team
Just clocked it and didn't even think about it
We're not trying to bust anybody by the way
This is cool man
We're not trying to bust anybody, okay?
It's actually pretty cool, you know?
Like, you know, Policeman's 1985, like Tim Hortons
That was some of the best coffee around, man
You know, when I first moved to Canada, man
And I was even just doing like Tim Hortons
You know, for the first time I had like a Timbit, man
I was like, okay, you know what?
I'm not going back to Dunkin, man, you know?
We're not trying to prove that somebody's lying
Let's be clear about that
There's no bad guy here
I would actually say this is a story with nothing but good guys
Because you got a great record and a great coffee
And it's a cool connection
So we're not trying to bust anybody
We're just saying, is it possible, like you said
Could a designer who's just sees the world
Like you said, through fonts and images
They might just take all this stuff in and it leaves an imprint
And they're not using their conscious mind
Because they're an artist
Right, it's like when Elaine Bennis accidentally copies a Ziggy
But that's even more subliminal
This is interesting
If you were not aware
If you're not aware of the Tim Hortons donut and coffee chain
And you just saw that, you think it's someone's name
So they just think it's not even a font
They're saying, oh, this is Tim Hortons' jacket
And they're like, oh, Tim
And if you look at the cover
It's not a collage, but you know
It's only one element of this like sort of designed cover
Lots of color, you know, all this stuff
So I think they're like, oh, interesting
Someone was wearing that jacket
And we'll just use Tim from that guy
Whoever Tim Horton is
They don't know that they're ripping off a giant corporate look
Most successful coffee chain
Right, he didn't even
It's like the punk rocker didn't even stitch off the Horton
I could totally see that
Bob Stinson buys a Tim Horton jacket
And he just thinks he's like, hey guys
I found some like dude who worked at a factory named Tim Hortons' jacket
And not only they're so ignorant of the coffee chain
That they're just like, Tim Horton
Probably was like, you know, on the line at the Ford factory
Tim Horton, like who the hell is that?
And nobody's going to be like, I think he played hockey in the 60s
No, nobody knew about it
So that makes a lot of sense
Because totally every kid growing up
You or someone you knew at some point
Had like a thrift store jacket
That had some random person's name on it
From a different era
Or a gas station like jacket that said just like John
You know, on it
Bobby J
What's up, Bobby J?
You know, like, where'd you get that?
I wonder who that used to belong to
Yeah, it's totally possible
So when they tell the story
And say, you know, Bob had this jacket that said Tim on it
They're forgetting
No, it said Tim Horton
Yes, I understand
Yes, it's our chaos
And this may drive us crazy
And we won't ever get an answer
But I would say this is a very, this is beyond plausible
I feel like this is
I think the only breakdown in our logic
Is that it also necessitates the guys sending a pic
That like having a, there has to be like a picture of the jacket
That somehow made it to New York
Where seemingly the design was going down
Mr. Westerberg, we've received an unusual interview request
Oh, and also like they famously were such like
The guy from Vampire Week
They famously were such hard partiers
Yeah
It's like
You know what this reminds me of though
Speaking of like trying to get to the bottom of a font mystery
Is the whole Joker Man font thing
Right
So, you know, we got that guy in the horn
And we learned a lot
We sure did
Maybe this is something that, maybe this might be a
This one we, yeah, but I don't know if we're going to be able to crack it
Matt's brought something to my attention that is worth pointing out
Yeah
Again, I want to believe sort of in the best intention
Yeah
But the replacements, "Pleased to meet me" album cover
Mm-hmm
Is literally
The same font
A rip off of Elvis's GI Blues album cover
In a way that is not accidental
Oh, yeah, see, I thought that's why they
Okay, that's why it looked familiar
So I'm just saying
Right
Here's a band who is borrowing
Let it be
It's just
"Pleased to meet me"
They're pulling from real life stuff
And Tim is the album in between those albums
Yep
Like I said, it's an emotional truth, dude
[Laughter]
I mean, if I could boil it down
There's some connection
There's some
We're pulling the thread
Yeah
There is some connection
I just feel it in my bones
And you know what the biggest bummer is?
Which would be a huge part of the book
Bob Stinson is dead, man
He tragically died in '95
So the man who had the jacket
And I think he had a hard life
He definitely had big substance abuse issues
But I think he was kind of kicked out of the replacements
He's not on the last couple albums
Yeah
And from what I've read
He was real depressed and aimless after that
And drinking way too hard
Wait, are you saying they replaced him?
They did
He got replaced in the replacements
Damn
Yeah, you're like
You think you're in a band with a bunch of lovable losers
We're the replacements
No, no, no
Even you're getting replaced
You knew what you signed up for
You knew what was gonna happen
Yeah, and plus his little brother was in the band
Yeah
Even the blood connection wasn't there
But anyway, it's like
I feel like that's the final
You can picture this book or this podcast
The final chapter is like
We've talked to Paul Westerberg
We've talked to Robert Longo
We've talked to whatever
And it's like at the heart of this story
That's about four men trying to get to the bottom of a font
And corporate food mystery
Is the ultimate tragedy
Which is that this dude Bob Stinson had a hard life and died
Like way too young
That's that realness
That's the reason we'll never know
Unless somebody has his stuff
Maybe his brother Tommy
Maybe Tommy
What's up with Tommy Stinson these days?
He was just on Mark Hopp's show
I think
Wasn't he playing like in Guns and Roses?
Oh yeah, he was in Guns and Roses
Wait, this would be too crazy
There was also like a pretty conservative book about the replacements from a few years ago
We gotta read that
That author
I don't wanna be too dark about this
But imagine if we get in touch with Tommy Stinson
We're just like
You know, where's your brother's stuff go when he died?
And he's like, oh man
Yeah, that's in like a storage facility
Outside of Minneapolis
Nobody's looked at it for decades
And we're just like, book the first ticket out there
I actually thought you were gonna say
I thought you were gonna say what I said
Which is that he was buried in the Tim Hortons jacket
Oh God
Do you see Field Trip?
I'm just saying
Just, you know, maybe just the narrative
I'm just saying, say like a poetic license for whatever the movie is
After the book, is it like chaos is adapted into the movie
Oh no, I got it
No, I feel you
It's like, no, this is it
We go to Minneapolis
We're like chasing down leads
At some point, there's also some shadowy figures
Who are like, these guys are getting too close
They like beat the shit out of us
Outside of First Ave
And then we finally break into the storage facility
And there's like all these twists and turns
We're going through all his old clothes
But we still can't find it
And then at the end, we finally give up
And we go to visit his grave to lay flowers
And we like pour some out for him
We're like, you were an awesome guitarist
Respect, eternally, rest in peace
And then as we walk away
In a cool shot, the camera goes down into the earth
All the way down into the coffin
And then you see the jacket
That's a pretty good ending
It's a great ending
It's a great ending
I don't know what happens the two hours before that
Well, no, you said it
There's like so much, even just like
Getting to Minneapolis, the bolt cutters, learning
I think, I mean, it's not the most interesting movie
But I think that there's some meat on the bones
It's kind of like a kooky
Like Alex Jones conspiracy theory dude
But he's more of like
He focuses on alternative rock from the 80s
And somehow he teams up with a really straight-laced
Corporate detective from Tim Hortons
Like a real slick guy from a Montreal-based law firm or something
And it's like a bit of an odd couple thing
And they go to Minneapolis together and blah, blah, blah
And then, and then
What if, okay, we're all talking about this
Here's the movie, we're joking
It's all funny, we're making this joke
And we get approached sort of like noir style
And there's this, you know, sort of
An attractive kind of femme fatale kind of woman walks in
And she is somehow like the daughter of
Whoever created the font for Tim Hortons
And she's just like, not destitute
But she, there's a lot of money that they could
You know, the replacements stole this font
And I really do need you to prove
You know what I mean?
Well gentlemen, I've fallen on hard times
And I've heard about this great sounding
New replacements remastered version
That's big money fellas
That's you re-mastered man
I heard they made the drum sound less 80s
That's gonna be selling a lot of copies
And I want a taste
I want to get out of this town
I want some of that Tim remix money
And that starts us on the show
It's a bit Chinatown, you know what I mean?
Yeah
I think this is great
Chinatown
An emotional truth man
Alright, I don't know if we should do the top five today
I think, I'm glad we went deep on that
By the way, I don't, yeah I think we're over
But I love that we were gonna start with it
And we're just not gonna do it
Why don't we listen to a couple more
Replaced songs off Tim
Let's listen to two and a half songs off Tim
And instead of doing a top five
We'll do a top two and a half off Tim
We already listened to a bit of Bastards of Young
We listened to a bit of Swingin' Party
Those are probably like the two like
Songs that everybody loves
There's that song Waitress in the Sky
I was just thinking of that
Always reminds me of that song Mountain of Love
Do you know that song?
No, what's Mountain of Love?
It's a, Johnny Rivers popularized it
Okay, let's do an A/B on Waitress in the Sky
And Mountain of Love
It's the same song
It drives me kind of crazy
Waitress in the Sky is just such a
Also, I guess that's pure replacements
It's like this, like so raw emotional song
Like Bastards of Young
And then a song just kind of like
Dissing flight attendants
You ain't nothing but a waitress in the sky
She don't wear no pants
She don't wear no tie
Always on the ball
She's always on strike
Big deal you get the fly
You ain't nothing but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothing but a waitress in the sky
Take it easy, Paul
Yeah, kind of mean
Pay my fare
Don't wanna complain
You get to me
You're always out of champagne
Treat me like a bum
Don't wear no tie
'Cause you ain't nothing but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothing but a waitress in the sky
And the sign says thank you
I think he felt dissed by a flight attendant
I guess maybe in the 80s
'Cause he was still drunk and he smelled of booze
And he was like scruffy
And he's like, I'm on a plane, I want some champagne
And she's like, no sir
You ain't nothing but a waitress in the sky
Garbage man, a janitor, and you, my dear
A reunion flight attendant, my oh my
You ain't nothing but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothing but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothing but a waitress in the sky
Here's what Paul Westerberg had to say about the song
Waitress in the sky has been misconstrued since day one
It came from my sister who was a flight attendant
And she used the phrase in disgust
Explaining that she was treated like a waitress in the sky
Although even that's a bit demeaning
Like, you're like a flight attendant, you're just like talking to your brothers
Like, that must be a cool job
No, I get these terrible
Sometimes you get these terrible people on the plane
They treat me like I'm a waitress
Like, I'm definitely not a waitress
Anyway, Paul said, so I took the role of the demanding bastard in the aeroplane
And expects the flight attendant to be a nurse and a maid
Some took it as a slam, but it was me trying to speak through her experience
Nobody ever threw a drink on me over it
Okay, that's that working class solidarity that, you know, Paul expresses through
Such classics as Bastards of Young
Don't assume that the narrator of Waitress in the Sky is Paul Westerberg
He's doing a character
He's doing some character work
Wait, Matt, just throw in the Johnny Rivers real fast
You don't have to listen to the whole thing
It's just like the same exact same melody
This is Johnny Rivers with Flight Attendant on the Ground
Standing on a mountain looking down on a city
The way I feel is a doggone pity
Teardrops falling down a mountainside
Many times I've been hit in the face
You don't know this song?
Kind of familiar
Johnny Rivers also did Secret Agent Man, right?
You ain't nothing but a waitress in the sky
Night after night I've been standing here alone
Okay, so actually, the Book of Other Replacements credits this song as being like the kind of inspiration
And also Hot Love by T-Rex
Just by chance that I get a glimpse of you
Tryin' hard to find you
More than the rhythm of the song comes from Mountain of Love
Right
A mountain of love
Waitress in the sky
You must be a waitress in the sky
We used to be a mountain of love
But you just changed your name
What should we listen to next?
I mean, Left of the Dial is pretty classic
What else do you like?
I like Here Comes a Regular
Let's listen to Here Comes a Regular
This is a good way to close
Alright, yeah
Yeah, we did two and a half songs
Johnny Rivers was the half
Well, a person can work up a mean, mean thirst
After a hard day of nothing much at all
Amazing opening lines
Yeah
The sun has passed, it's too late
They cut the grass
There ain't much to make anyway in the fall
And sometimes I just stay in the mood
Take my place in the back of the loud noise
Help, please, help, please
Help, please, help
And I've a picture on the fridge
It's never stocked with food
Yeah, it reminds me of, like, yeah, like
Russ Never Sleeps era, Neil kind of
Everybody wants to be special here
They call your name out loud and clear
Here comes a regular
Call out your name
Here comes a regular
Wait, what year did Cheers start?
Probably like a year or two before this?
I'm gonna guess like '83 or...
September '82
I wonder if he was, like, watching Cheers and listening to the Cheers theme song
and, like, got him thinking about, like,
I'm gonna write "I Wanna Go" where everybody knows your name
I'm gonna write... he's gonna write the more realist, sad version
Yeah, exactly
I just love that opening line, too, of, like, yeah, you think about, like, a Bruce Springsteen or Bob Seger song
It's like the guy's, like, having some drinks after, like, a hard day at work
Yeah, and the ball western...
Actually, pause it for a second
I want to talk about the lyrics
Yeah
'Cause it is interesting 'cause it is so specific
Like, I'm not suggesting it's, like, a Cheers ripoff 'cause it is so different
It is the realist version
Yeah
Where it's not just... it's not that just kind of like, hey, you know, life can get you down
and don't you want to go to a place where everybody knows your name?
This is so much more desperate
I kind of wonder, like, the picture he's painting of, like, the person in the song
Person can work up a mean, mean thirst after a hard day of nothing much at all
Summer's past, it's too late to cut the grass
There ain't much to rake anyway in the fall
And then it says later, and sometimes I just ain't in the mood to take my place in back with a loud mouth
You're like a picture on the fridge that's never stocked with food
I used to live at home, now I stay at the house
What do you think that means?
Is he, like...
Is he, like, a dude who's, like, maybe some of his buddies went to college but he's still, like...
Is he saying, like, when I was a kid I lived at home with my parents
and now I'm just, like, this weird dude
I'm not a kid anymore and I'm not, like, a guy with my a** together
so I still actually live at home
but now I feel like just a random dude who stays at the house
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, the difference between a home and a house, right?
And I also kind of picture him maybe being, like...
Even he's talking about it's too late to cut the grass and there ain't much to rake anyway in the fall
I'm picturing, like, maybe a dude in his, like, mid to late 20s
Like, some of his friends have jobs, a couple have families
He's been, like, living at home, kind of partying
But it's, like, just reaching that point where it's starting to be, like, I've been here too long
And, like, his dad's, like, "Well, if you're gonna stay here, at least, like, mow the lawn"
And he's just, like, "Oh, man, it's, you know, it's, like, late September, I don't know"
And he's, like, "Well, rake or just f***ing do something"
He's just, like, "I'm gonna go to the f***ing bar"
Just, like, leaves
Just, like, rake
I also picture, literally, like, it's a suburban house
But, like, it's just totally exposed
It's one of those streets that has no trees on it
So there's just, like, there's not much to rake
It's just totally, like, this sun-bleached, kind of suburbia
Nothing to rake anyway
Alright, well, let's play out the rest of Here Comes the Regular
Shout out to The Replacements and Tim Hortons
Please, if anybody has any information or just an emotional truth, like Jake, about this issue
Drop us a line and maybe you can help us get to the bottom of it and be part of our book
Yeah, 8-Minute Cape Cod is the email, gmail.com
That's the numeral 8
See you guys next time, but listen to this
Everything that my money can buy
Before we waste his life, gotta rest his guts
First the lights and the collar goes up
And the wind begins to blow
Turn your back on a pay-your-back last call
First the glass and the leaves, the glass, here comes the snow
Ain't much to rake anyway in the fall
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