Episode 78: Seinfeld2000’s Origin Story
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Time Crisis, back once again. Boy do we have some news to catch up on. We gotta talk about
Duncan, Duncan Donuts. We gotta talk about Stake 'Em's and their social media presence.
We gotta talk about Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper and their new film A Star is Born.
All this, plus much more Jim Morrison, on this week's Time Crisis.
Ezra King. B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-Sport One.
Time Crisis back again. We're gonna get right into it today. We got a lot to get through.
TC78. This is a major time crisis. Just a lot of time
crisis-y stuff has been happening in the world. But Jake, you were just saying
something interesting before the show started. That even though
it might be played out, you still love the film The Big Lebowski with all
of your soul. -Yeah. I mean, I was saying it's played out to
do long, extended quotes from the film. Because I feel like
everyone in my life, including my parents, have that film memorized.
-Yeah. -And so we just got a new
rug in our little TV room. And I was like,
"Hannah, I'm saying this completely sincerely. It's also
sort of a reference. But honestly, the rug ties the room together." -It really does.
-And just like an eye roll. -Right. -I mean, because I'm doing Lebowski
quotes daily. It is my favorite film. And
most of my friends are on that wavelength of having it memorized.
So I'll make the most subtle reference. And that's how we got into this
before the show started. -Just making a subtle Lebowski reference.
-Oh, a friend of ours' car was broken into. -Right. I mean, that's one of the--
-And I was like, "Wouldn't hold that much hope for that tape deck." -I think over the past few years,
even the concept of quoting movies has played out.
-Yeah. -Even just quoting movies is reminiscent of
another era. -Why is that, you think? -I think there's been an
association with nonstop movie quoting as being
a fratty thing to do. -Oh, interesting. Fratty?
-You might think that everybody more or less likes movies.
They might have wildly different tastes. -Sure. -So you would think that whoever likes movies
would quote the movies that they like. Maybe for you it's Big Lebowski.
Maybe for somebody else it's Avengers Infinity War.
-51st Date. -Which is a deeply unquotable film. -Well, I guess there's one quote that people
always say. What is it? "Mr. Stark, I don't feel so good."
Whack quote. Come on. But anyway, I think there's almost a stereotype
of a frat guy who just all he can do is quote movies. -I just think it's more like
dorks. Which I guess frat guys are dorks. -Frat guys are the nerdy dorks.
-A different version of dorks. Because I was a dork
in high school and we quoted Ghostbusters
and Back to the Future nonstop. And as discussed on
TC episode 72, my high school
yearbook quote was from Ghostbusters, "Slow down and chew your food." -Deep cut.
A deep cut quote. -Deep cut. -But here's the thing. I love that you
still ride for the Big Lebowski because I think something happens when something becomes
a really iconic cult. It's like happening with Rick and Morty now.
Where people are really into it and ride for it. And then it becomes a stereotype
of the type of person who's obsessed with that is so annoying. -Right. -And then
suddenly it casts this weird shadow on the thing itself. -Which it shouldn't.
-Which it shouldn't. So I've watched some Rick and Morty and I enjoyed
it. But based on what I've taken in from the internet in the past
year, a lot of the people that I think are cool make a lot of snide remarks
about these straw men who are so into Rick and Morty
and are so annoying. -I don't get it. I love that show.
I see people referring to
that. -Pickle Rick. -Yeah, people make fun of Rick and Morty fans. I'm like,
"It's a good show. What's your problem?" -Well that's Jake. -You guys are overthinking it. -Because you're
actually cool. -Am I? -You're not fashionable but you're cool.
You don't follow the trends of the day.
♪ I'm free to do what I want in the old town ♪
♪ I'm free to do what I want in the old town ♪
♪ So love me, hold me, love me, hold me ♪
♪ 'Cause I'm free in the old town to get what I want ♪
♪ I'm free to sing my song though it gets out of town ♪
♪ I'm free to sing my song though it gets out of town ♪
♪ So love me, hold me, love me, hold me ♪
♪ 'Cause I'm free in the old town to get what I want ♪
♪ I'm free to sing my song though it gets out of town ♪
♪ I'm free to sing my song though it gets out of town ♪
♪ I'm free to sing my song though it gets out of town ♪
♪ I'm free to sing my song though it gets out of town ♪
♪ I'm free to sing my song though it gets out of town ♪
♪ I'm free to sing my song though it gets out of town ♪
♪ I'm free to sing my song though it gets out of town ♪
♪ I'm free to sing my song though it gets out of town ♪
♪ I'm free to sing my song though it gets out of town ♪
♪ I'm free to sing my song though it gets out of town ♪
- From time to time versus the guy who's obsessed with
how lame it is to quote movies, I think I'll go with the guy
who just quotes that movie that he likes.
- This is a sort of a tangent, it's semi-related,
and maybe we're skating on thin ice here.
- Uh oh.
- Why do people hate Elon Musk all of a sudden?
- Oh God.
- Because the guy makes the best cars,
I mean I don't own a Tesla, but those cars rule,
and there's zero emissions, and then I saw something
online today where Kanye was at some art school
or something and he was like--
- Leave Elon, I saw that, he's standing on some labels.
- People were clowning on him for smoking weed on Rogan.
(laughing)
And I'm like, this is tight, what's the problem?
- Okay, well, I guess there's a lot to unpack there.
- I don't know the full context.
- You know why people are souring on Kanye now, obviously.
- Of course.
- All right, so that's one thing.
With Elon Musk, here's a few sentiments that I've seen.
Yeah, hating on Elon Musk for smoking weed is whack.
- Well, I thought of it because of Lebowski too,
because it's like, he was so cool for a while,
and then all of a sudden it became played out.
- Flipped.
- He just flipped.
- I think, he has his fanboys, but you know what,
maybe it's because he was seen as the cool CEO for a second
that more people started to wake up and started to be like,
no CEOs are cool.
- Look, I'm not gonna go to, I don't know the facts,
I just have a very cursory knowledge of him,
and I just was like, I remember just tracking that
on the internet, that all of a sudden the winds shifted
with Elon.
- If it's because he smoked weed, I think that's lame,
'cause you know who doesn't smoke any weed
or drink any alcohol?
President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.
- D.J. Trump.
- Didn't we get an email or something, again,
there's been so much time crisis-y stuff in the news,
didn't Donald Trump like cheers with a Diet Coke at the UN?
Does that sound familiar?
- That sounds amazing.
- I don't think that's an email we got.
I mean, that sounds like something that happened,
but I don't remember it.
- Man, we have so many time crisis go-to topics.
Remember when this show started out, very quickly it became
that we talk about music and corporate food history.
But as we dive deeper into each of those subcategories,
it's really like we could do a weekly
what's going on with Diet Coke, if we wanted to.
- Oh, sure.
- We could do a weekly what's going on with--
- Frito-Lay Corp.
- We've talked about Dunkin' Donuts before.
- Yes, we have.
- Jake, did you hear the big news about Dunkin' Donuts?
- I did.
I am very tapped in.
Actually, the week before this announcement,
I was in a car with some friends, and for some reason--
I think it was early morning,
we were going down to Disneyland, actually,
which is a whole separate story.
But we came up with a new slogan for Dunkin' Donuts,
which was "I'm down for Dunkin'."
Or just "down."
- Oh, like as the campaign evolves over the years?
- It just becomes "down."
- When a corporation can own one word like that,
that's masterful.
- "Down for Dunkin'."
And then they changed their name to Dunkin' a week later.
- Whoa.
- So I was like--
- That's great, "Down for Dunkin'."
- I think it's a great phrase.
- Especially if you make a fun commercial.
- "Are you down for Dunkin'?"
- Yeah, and then that becomes a thing.
You text everybody, "Who's down for Dunkin'?"
- 'Cause Dunkin' Donuts, as I've said on this show,
is one of the chains I've always had a soft spot for.
- Sure. East Coast.
- Yeah, I almost considered it a heritage brand
of the tri-state area.
I didn't realize that it's really a--
more than anything, it's a Massachusetts thing.
- Really?
- It's a Boston thing.
- Okay.
- I think it comes from Massachusetts.
- I think I want to say Quincy, Mass.
- Quincy, Mass.
- I could be wrong on that.
- Every 30 episodes on TC,
we got to do a deep dive on Dunkin'.
Who's down for--
- Quincy, Mass.
- Nailed that.
- Really?
- Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
- Oh, year?
- I want to do your founding year.
- What year do you think?
- Oh, man.
- Ah, I don't have a sense of it.
I can't remember.
I'm just gonna guess wildly and say '72.
- '55.
- Closer.
- Okay.
- '50.
- Wow, early.
- Okay, that rings a bell now.
- Wow.
The first Dunkin' Donut,
and it was spelled the same way,
right there on Southern Artery in Quincy.
- I think the Down for Dunkin' campaign
could be like the running gag
is that a bunch of people
are in all these various situations,
but they're always down for Dunkin'.
- Right.
- So they're hiking, they're at a funeral.
Hey, you down for Dunkin'?
- Dunkin' traffic.
- Right, yeah.
- I think it's really important
for a brand that serves something
that's bad for you
to become that kind of hall pass brand.
You know what I'm saying?
- Mm-hmm.
- I think Down for Dunkin' could help
make people understand
that when you're near a Dunkin',
when you're at an event that has Dunkin',
when you are so blessed
that a friend is making a Dunkin' run,
your diet goes out the window.
Your eating habits go out the window.
This is a special.
It's like I kind of--
- I know you're no carb, no gluten.
It's out the window.
- It's Dunkin'.
- You're down for Dunkin'.
- Yesterday was my cheat day.
- It's Dunkin'.
- That's me, that's the next one.
It's Dunkin'.
- That's the idiocracy version.
- Yeah.
- Welcome to Costco, I love you.
It's Dunkin'.
- It's just a--
- It's kind of Because I Can vibes.
- Oh yeah, exactly.
It's Because I Can.
I was born in a free country,
the United States of America.
My forefathers died,
so I could drink this Diet Coke.
But yeah, with Dunkin', just,
"Hey man, didn't your doctor say
you shouldn't have any sugar?"
It's Dunkin'.
- Weren't you in a coma for four months?
- Yeah.
- It's Dunkin', dude.
It's 4 a.m., I got the hot pepper ale.
Got a lot of booze,
it's a whopper, it's a slumper,
third rail.
Friday night and Friday,
I'm headed for the station.
It's a train ride, don't be out of place.
Dedicated to the boomers
in the back of the one train.
They be kickin' out with those high,
I'm cocaine.
It's just a turnstile,
I won't collapse, forget it.
Ride between the cars,
busy smokin'.
Head for the left,
hook off the rest and light blackout.
The least we don't want homeboy,
put that crack out.
You know you're light up
when the lights go down.
You think you're breathin' New York Post,
folks speak downtown.
Same faces every day,
but you don't know their name.
Bloody people doin' places on a D train.
On that train,
I wanna be on.
(drums)
Checkin' trench coat,
going to work.
And you be feelin' a train
like a Captain Kirk.
Big pocket gangsters
payin' the desk.
I'm caught a bullet in the lung
from burning gas.
Oh, you're workin' under pay,
the baronet, the fool.
Prostitutes and ex-corks
sliding for.
Now you're stuck between the station
and it seems like an eternity.
Sweatin' like soft drinks
in a fly-by fraternity.
A $50 fine
for disturbing the peace.
The neck, tortoise,
your leaves,
are crease.
Hot cup of coffee
and the donuts are junkies.
Friday night and Jamaican
Queens for you.
Elevated, rockin' for,
I'm never gonna,
rock for.
Riding over the China
where I always get my taxa one.
Prostitutes and ex-corks
movin' profit out front.
Over the last week,
you're about to hard time.
Sad of course for my man,
I'm reading LGREO.
Riding the train down
from the El Barrio.
From the station to Arnjulius.
I brought a hot dog
from Georgia-Colonia.
Okay, but this is funny.
I'm looking at the tweet right now.
Yeah.
It's official.
We're going by Duncan now.
That little like smiley emoji
with the hands going hee hee.
After 68 years of America
running on Duncan,
we're moving to a first name basis.
Yellow heart.
Okay.
Excited to be #BFFStatus with you all.
Some more emoji.
#FirstNameBasis #Besties.
I hate hashtags.
Pushing it there.
Who's clicking on the
first name basis hashtag
to find other tweets
that say first name basis?
I gotta collect those.
Wait, how many retweets
do you think this has?
Oh, 22,000.
Good guess now, but 4,800.
I don't know if that means
it didn't kill it.
It's got almost 15,000 likes though.
You know what the first thing
that popped into my head was
when I heard about this?
What's that?
This is fake bravery.
This is stolen valor.
This is like IHOP, dude.
Basically what I was thinking is,
you know what?
Swinging big and changing your name
is a big deal.
Dropping the donuts.
Everybody knows you for your donuts.
I guess you want to not be
fully associated with donuts.
Maybe they think the next generation
will be more likely to go get a coffee
or a sandwich there
if they aren't thinking about the donuts.
Breakfast sandwich.
But then the first thing I thought was,
okay, if you really got some [bleep]
then you should let somebody else
call their [bleep] Dunkin' Donuts.
Let me open a Dunkin' Donuts.
Okay, you want to be Dunkin', I get it.
You're throwing your whole heritage away.
But why can't we still have Dunkin' Donuts?
You know what I mean?
Wow.
That's heavy, dude.
I was just like, this is fake bravery.
If you--
Fake--
Stolen valor.
This is stolen valor.
You know what I mean?
Put your money where your mouth is.
Okay, you're done with Dunkin' Donuts?
Okay.
But they're saying they're
on the same basis.
They're not saying they're done.
I mean, it'd be like if you changed your name
to Vampire,
which is how I refer to your band.
And then somebody else just
took over with Vampire Weekend?
I don't know.
I think people should loosen up
about copyright, you know?
I feel you on that.
What is this DNKN?
They've also truncated--
Yeah, that's like a mess.
Yeah, I think we--
It feels like that's the next logical jump.
It seems like they did two, two in one.
Somebody asked them,
"Will the logo just be 1D?"
They wrote back, "Nope, the DD is still alive."
I guess at least IHOP
was kind of an
epic troll.
This is just weird.
I don't know how I feel about this.
Not gonna age well.
Dunkin'.
People are already calling them Dunkin' too, right?
This isn't a radical change.
Burger King became BK.
McDonald's became Mickey D's.
You know what this is?
This is similar to that thing I was saying
about the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
This is fan service.
They're just sucking up to the fans.
"Hey guys, we know you mostly call it Dunkin'.
Now we call it Dunkin' too.
We're just like you, man."
The fans are like, "Uh-huh."
Yeah.
Cool.
It's that same thing.
I'm just like, "Hey guys,
I know you always wanted to see Iron Man and Spider-Man
have a joke together.
Here you go."
Do you think employees answered the phone,
"Thank you for calling Dunkin'"?
Now they probably do.
"Thank you for calling Dunkin' on Pal Avenue."
I should point out that one of the first replies
to Dunkin' Donuts was from DiGiorno.
Where they just waved at them,
and then Dunkin' wrote back, "Hiya."
And then DiGiorno said, "You can call us DiGiorno."
And then Dunkin' wrote, "Then call us Dunkin'-o."
And then DiGiorno wrote, "Deal. Heart."
This is disgusting.
Can I ask you, what do you dislike more
when there's animosity between the two brands
or when they kind of are getting along
and promoting each other?
That's a great question.
I like more when there's animosity between the brands
because let's keep it real here.
Dog eat dog.
This is a dog eat dog world.
And just don't lie to us.
I think it's far more wicked
when a brand pretends to be a chill person.
So Dunkin' and DiGiorno...
Not competitors, per se.
You know, it would be, like, fun to kind of get in there
and just be, like, treat both of them.
Love you, DiGiorno.
I would far rather stay at home
and make one of your pizzas
than ever eat any of the bullsh--
they serve at Dunkin' Donuts.
Signed, Frank Castle.
Yeah.
Anyway.
This is some post-IHOP corporate camber.
I know, I just thought that Dunkin' Donuts was cooler.
Oh, man.
Then they got this whole weird, like, promotion with Oreo and...
Go to hell.
[laughs]
Go to hell.
Man.
Last episode, I told Steve Miller to go to hell.
Yeah.
This episode, Dunkin' Donuts.
♪ Don't lie to me ♪
♪ Don't lie to me ♪
♪ Don't lie to me ♪
♪ Don't lie to me ♪
♪ I know you're rich and I know what you've done ♪
♪ Don't lie to me ♪
Time crisis.
This all leads us to probably the most time-crisisy thing
that has happened recently.
We were getting all sorts of tweets about this,
e-mails, things of that nature.
This was in the episode that we created the concept of
Frank Castle and Punisher Burgers.
Before that, we kind of made a prediction, as I recall,
and we were just talking about how all these brands
were kind of, like, one-upping each other with their social media presences
to say, like, who's funnier or who has more savage clapbacks or something.
And I believe we more or less said, there will come a day
where a brand straight-facedly tries to tell other people,
"You know what, guys? All these other brands are full of s--t,
but I'm a straight shooter."
That's kind of how we started the Punisher Burgers thing.
Although we took it to its logical extreme, which would be
an actual person asserting their personhood.
That's why Punisher Burgers always had Frank Castle.
I'm just one man.
So finally, a brand actually decided--
Stepped up.
--to step up and say, "You know what? Let's cut the crap."
And that brand was Steakums.
Steakum is just like a kind of nasty, really cheap steak.
Is it on a sandwich or--
It's a frozen steak that you buy in the frozen food aisle.
Thinly sliced.
That you, like, microwave or, like, heat up in a pan.
I remember eating it. It's rough stuff.
It was invented in--
It's frozen meat.
It was-- Yo, this is sick.
Steakums was invented in 1968 by food technologist--
Oh, dude, '68.
--Eugene Gagliardi.
Oh.
Who is also credited with inventing popcorn chicken.
That's sick.
Okay, he's kind of a hero.
I like popcorn chicken.
It actually officially started in 1975 out of Westchester, PA,
and then went to-- Heinz brand bought it, and then--
Marketed under its Ore-Ida frozen foods brand.
I like that.
Oh, yeah, Ore-Ida.
They make some good [bleep]
Long story short, it ended up with Quaker-made meat in 2006.
I love corporate histories.
'94, it was acquired by Tri Foods International.
And then Gagliardi sued Tri Foods in 1996
after he was fired and removed as chairman of the board.
Can you imagine the heat on that?
The inventor of Steakums pleading with the board,
"You can't do this to me. I invented Steakums."
"We don't need you anymore, Gagliardi."
It's just like Elon Musk trying to get him to leave Tesla.
Mid-'90s Steakum just--
Scene was hot.
That's amazing.
Just at home talking to his family,
they're trying to push me out.
"I [bleep] invented Steakums."
Isn't it just like frozen sliced beef?
What did you invent exactly?
Dad, I mean, I'll give you props for popcorn chicken,
but Steakums just seems like a real step down.
It's just thinly sliced roast beef.
There was a lawsuit in 2012,
and the judge describes the product as, quote,
"Chopped and formed emulsified meat product
"comprised of beef trimmings
"left over after an animal is slaughtered
"and all the primary cuts, such as tenderloin,
"filet, and rib eye, are removed.
"The emulsified meat is then pressed into a loaf
"and sliced, frozen, and packaged."
And then actually I went down the rabbit hole a little bit
on Quaker-made meats.
It's like a hot dog, essentially.
Yeah, it's kind of like a meatloaf hot dog.
The leftovers.
Yeah.
So I don't know-- do you know Glassdoor?
It's sort of the company review site.
No.
So employees of any company can go on Glassdoor.com
and review where they work or have recently worked.
So the Glassdoor review for Quaker-made meats
has only one entry, and part of the entry,
it's the lowest possible review,
and the person says, "The product is disgusting.
"Talk about the lowest quality, quote, unquote, 'meat'
"you can imagine.
"Roadkill is better.
"All the meat comes from overseas
"and comes in moldy and almost 75% fat."
Ooh, rough stuff, folks.
Rough stuff, folks.
That's gnarly.
Yeah, it really seems nasty.
So I guess Steakums-- so that's the current owner,
Quaker-made meats, so just so everybody knows the backstory.
That's the product we're dealing with.
Steakums is an orphan brand violently ripped from its creator.
Steakums is like a Frankenstein
ripped away from its noble creator,
and now this Frankenstein is taken to the streets,
is coming after the villagers with their pitchforks.
# Messenger of fear and sight
# Dark deception kills the light
# Hybrid children watch the sea
# Pray for father, I'll be free
# Fear is wretched insanity
# He watches the game beneath the sea
# Great old one, forbidden sight
# He searches, but you're under shadows
# Is rising
# Immortal
# Immortal
# In madness you dwell
In 2017, Steakums started a campaign
to have their Twitter account verified
with the hashtag #VerifiedSteakum,
and they were verified on January 15, 2008.
They've been known for trolling other brands,
including Denny's, Wendy's, and Moon Pie.
Oh, so they've been at this for a while.
They are the original Punisher burgers.
It's true.
Philadelphia agency Alibac Communications
verified the Steakums Twitter account.
Alibac account director Jesse Bender
told Adweek that the agency was given the green light
in August 2017 to start managing
the Steakums Twitter account.
The goal was to begin a dialogue with consumers
and create a community.
So this is all the backstory on Steakums.
And then Steakums went a little viral.
They wrote a tweet thread that started with this.
It was on the Steakum verified Twitter account.
"Why are so many young people flocking to brands
on social media for love, guidance, and attention?
I'll tell you why.
They're isolated from real communities.
Working service jobs they hate
while barely making ends meet."
And "meet" here is spelled M-E-A-T,
which clearly they did on purpose, so it's like...
Unnecessary.
What's your tone here, man?
Are you actually just making fun of depressed young people?
"They're working service jobs they hate
while barely making ends meet
and are living with unchecked
personal/mental health problems.
They're crushed by student loan debt,
disenfranchised by past generations,
and are dreading the future of our world every day
from mass media addiction
and the struggle to not just be happy,
but to survive this chaotic time
with every problem happening at once under a microscope.
They grew up through the dawn of internet culture
and have had mass advertising
drilled into their media consumption.
Now they're being resold their childhoods
by remake sequel spin-offs and other cheap nostalgia,
making them more cynical to growth or authenticity.
They often don't have parents to talk to
because they say stuff like
'you don't know how good you have it.'
And they don't have mentors to talk to
because most of them have no concept
for growing up in this strange time
which perpetuates the feelings of helplessness, loneliness.
They have full access to social media
and the information highway,
but they feel more alone and insecure than ever.
Being behind a screen 24/7
has made them numb to everything,
anxious and depressed about everything,
and vitriolic or closed off
toward anyone different from them.
Young people today have it the best and the worst.
There's so much to process
and very few trusted accessible outlets
to process it all through.
So they go to memes.
They go to obscure or absurdist humor.
They go to frozen meat companies on Twitter.
And rant.
Stake 'em, bless.
Are they going to frozen meat companies on Twitter?
I know. I love how it's like...
Are young people flocking to brands
on social media for love, guidance, and attention?
Yeah, I know.
The thing that I don't like about the Stake 'Em's thing,
I mean, you know, shout out to whatever, whoever,
this, this, shout out to whatever/whoever.
You know, there's somebody having some fun.
I mean, this is probably the type of shit
that I would write if I was just some,
got a job at a Philadelphia-based advertising agency
and they're just like,
"Stake 'Em's doesn't give a f***.
Just see if you can get people talking about Stake 'Em's."
Right.
Think outside the box here.
We're selling the bottom of the barrel here,
like the dregs in the frozen food aisle.
Right.
We could just say, like, anything.
You know what?
There's something Trump-ian about this.
Oh, for sure.
And I know that probably, I bet whoever wrote this
is not pro-Trump,
working at a Philadelphia-based advertising agency,
I'm guessing.
But there is also something about, like,
just the task of trying to turn Stake 'Em's
into something noble.
There's something very Republican about it, actually,
'cause it's that vibe of just, like,
kind of, like, actively participating
in really f***ed up systems
and then trying to, like,
talk about, like, the nobility of the suffering that you cause.
There's a lot of fundamental premises
that I'm not buying with Stake 'Em's.
Yeah, and number one, I think you pointed that out, Jake,
this whole rant starts out,
"Why are so many young people flocking to brands
on social media for love, guidance, and attention?"
They're not.
Are they?
Are they.
The correct way to phrase it would be, like,
"Why are young people amused
when brands target them
in the space where they spend most of their time?"
Young people are not flocking to brands.
And also, the idea that this is, like,
a specific generational thing,
that's, like, similar to being, like,
"Why do frat boys in the '90s
flock to Budweiser commercials?
It's because they're lonely, isolated.
They feel powerless.
So instead, they find power in laughing about a frog."
Yeah.
You're actively participating in making the world gnarlier
by, like, invading people's space this way.
Young people are not flocking to brands.
Brands are doing attention-getting stunts.
Anyway, I guess in 2014,
Stake 'Em tweeted an Ayn--
Sorry, it's Ayn Rand quote,
"A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve,
not by the desire to beat others."
Huh.
Oh, okay.
I mean, on the face of it,
I mean, I guess that applies to some creative people.
Kind of ahead of the game, to be honest.
Right, but--
It's, like, 2014?
Ayn Rand is beloved by--
Paul Ryan.
By, yeah, libertarians and right-wingers.
But why is Stake 'Em--
But she wrote fiction.
Four years ago, tweeting--
Yeah.
We got to get to Stake 'Em people on the phone.
Well, the sad part is--
There's people that run this account.
And this is also sick.
Stake 'Em's retweeted a Vox article,
"How Stake 'Em Turned Millennial Angst
Into Major Dollars."
So--
Who wrote that article?
Whoever is running the Stake 'Em's account
is clearly just--
They're just going full-on rogue.
It's literally just, like, how many eyeballs can we get?
Well, this is, like, the whole thing,
like, when IHOP went to IHOP, I was like,
"Was it getting more people in the door at the restaurant?
Was it selling more burgers?"
I doubt it.
Was the Stake 'Em philosophical existential rant
on Twitter selling more bags of Stake 'Em
out of the frozen food aisle?
Doubt it, bro.
Doubt it.
I don't know, man.
Let's listen to some music.
Let's listen to some music, man.
What's a palate cleanser?
Twiddle.
We could go down that route.
Let's throw on some Twiddle.
Twiddle, this song is called "Jam Flow Man."
[laughter]
Have you heard of the Jam Flow Man?
Jam sickest and the quickest hands in the lane.
Got that shit down real nice.
He'll play his jam and it won't be twice.
No, the Jam Flow Man don't give a damn.
Playing shows across the lane.
Rocking out with his band.
Playing a fat old reggae jam.
The Jam Flow Man, won't you make that sound?
Make my body move all around.
Twist it up and blaze it down.
Pass it back and forth, spin it round and round.
The Jam Flow Man, won't you make that sound?
Make my body move all around.
Twist it up and blaze it down.
Pass it back and forth, spin it round and round.
The Jam Flow Man, he started young,
writing songs with the catchiest drum.
First the blues, then with jazz.
The Jam Flow Man blew up real fast.
Now, the Jam Flow Man at the age of 10
was better at the guitar than most men.
He was real good now and he was real good then.
Playing in the clubs and making up more chains.
That was a little taste of the band Twiddle with Jam Flow Man.
That's a song we've always been meaning to play on Time Crisis and talk about.
But you know what? Today's still not the day.
We just gave you a little taste.
Jam Flow Man by Twiddle, eventually we will talk about.
But in the meantime, all TC heads should go check out this song,
Jam Flow Man by Twiddle, which is a very controversial song
within the jam band community. Correct?
Fair to say. Eventually we will do an entire episode on Jam Flow Man.
Anyway, you know, on the last episode, we didn't really get anywhere with it,
but we found out some pretty disturbing news about Steve Miller,
which is that he toured with the Grateful Dead in the early 90s.
Even performed with them. Not just opened for them, performed with them.
Was it a full tour?
I think it was a whole summer tour.
Wow.
I saw on Instagram somebody was selling a t-shirt from that run.
Somebody tagged us in it.
And there was a t-shirt from that run that was like,
you know, summer tour '92 or whatever.
'92, yeah.
And then we found out that after Jerry passed,
Steve Miller did multiple interviews where he talked about
how much he disliked the Grateful Dead.
Just threw him under the bus.
Threw him under the bus.
He waited until Jerry died to talk that s***.
Said they were boring, whatever.
Class act, Steve.
[laughs]
And Jake was so fired up, he said, "Go to hell."
Yeah.
We gotten anywhere with getting in touch with Steve Miller
to tell his side of the story?
I reached out to the band on Twitter and nothing,
and I did also reach out to the band's publicist
and followed up, wrote a very nice email,
very cordial, and nothing.
Radio silence from the Miller camp.
There's two sides to every story.
Maybe Steve will come back and say,
"I did open for the Grateful Dead.
I did perform with them, and I wanted to like them.
But honestly, behind the scenes, Jerry was a d*** to me."
Phil was very difficult.
Phil was very rude to me.
I heard him laughing about my song "The Joker,"
which I think is a great song,
and Phil was just laughing as if my songs had no depth.
And yeah, did I harbor a grudge?
You're goddamn right I did.
And after Jerry died, did I feel free to finally speak my mind
and get a few licks in?
Yeah, I did.
Okay, I would understand that.
♪ I lit up from Reno, I was trailed by 20 hounds ♪
♪ Didn't get to sleep that night 'til the morning came around ♪
♪ Set out to run, but I take my time ♪
♪ A friend of the devil who's a friend of mine ♪
♪ I get home before daylight, just might get some sleep tonight ♪
♪ Ran into the devil, baby, lonely 20 mil ♪
♪ Spent the night in Utah, in a cave up in the hills ♪
♪ Set out to run, but I take my time ♪
♪ A friend of the devil who's a friend of mine ♪
♪ I get home before daylight, just might get some sleep tonight ♪
Anyway, but speaking of people who wait until somebody dies to talk their s***,
I was very disappointed to hear about this.
As you know, on the last episode,
I talked about this Jim Morrison interview that I love
where he responds to an interviewer fat-shaming him.
He's way ahead of his time.
People didn't even use the word "fat-shaming" back then.
And Jim Morrison pauses, and he makes a case for why it's fine to be fat.
And then we start talking about it.
You know what, Jim Morrison?
He's kind of out of fashion these days, but he's pretty cool, actually.
You know what? I f*** with the Doors. The Doors are cool.
Because I've been saying for years that the Doors are not cool.
But now I'm shifting gears, and I'm saying the Doors are cool, man.
They haven't been cool for about 15, 20 years.
It's dope that you're so flexible to change your opinions.
People age, they get solidified, calcified in their views.
Look at you.
No, the Doors are cool.
And then you know what? Right after--
I'm back in with the Doors.
Almost right after we talked about that,
I wanted to go see Jay-Z and Beyoncé at the Rose Bowl.
Oh, yeah. You sent me some image.
I sent you an image because, you know, Jay-Z and Beyoncé,
it doesn't get more cutting edge than that.
True that.
Every time I've seen either one of them live,
I've always been kind of awestruck by the show.
And I'm not somebody who gets--
I don't get that excited about going to concerts.
Even this concert, I'll be honest, I was kind of like--
I feel like I saw Beyoncé at Coachella yesterday.
Uh-huh.
And then I get there, within five minutes,
I'm like, "I'm so glad I'm here."
They always do something a little different.
They have so many incredible visuals.
You're in the Rose Bowl, but it felt almost intimate
because they have this giant, giant screen,
one of the biggest screens that I've ever seen,
and a lot of really interesting imagery,
a lot of it pre-shot.
So anyway, there's some song that they're performing,
and the kind of motif for the visuals was famous mug shots.
Mm-hmm.
And who's one of the first ones that they put on this screen?
Probably 100 feet tall for all the Rose Bowl to see.
Jim Morrison.
And then I'm like, "Holy sh*t, Jay-Z and Beyoncé
are basically telling to the world,
'We know the Doors have not been particularly cool
in the classic rock community for the past 15, 20 years.
We know that right now Grateful Dead are very hot,
and nobody's really talking about the Doors anymore,
but here Jay-Z and f*cking Beyoncé are saying
Jim Morrison is relevant again.'"
And I was like, "Okay, Jim Morrison got a shout-out
on Time Crisis. That's one.
Now his mug shot is plastered 100 feet high
at the Rose Bowl with Jay-Z and Beyoncé.
That's two. When am I going to see three?"
Well, guess what? I didn't have to wait very long.
The last time I saw Jay-Z and Beyoncé perform together,
this is On the Run 2 tour.
I saw On the Run 1 tour.
And in that concert, they both have so many great hits,
but that was this moment where kind of
Beyoncé was ascending at light speed,
and Jay-Z was kind of settling into his, like,
elder statesman status.
So I remember a lot of people saying about that show,
"I mean, it was all about Beyoncé."
And, you know, I'm a big Jay-Z fan,
so I was kind of like, "Come on, you know,
it's about both of them."
But people were like, "I don't know, just Beyoncé."
It was so exciting seeing Beyoncé then.
Whereas at this show, I really felt like it was 50/50.
You know, Beyoncé did her thing,
but hearing Jay-Z dip back into the hits,
that was pretty cool, man.
And so anyway, here I am thinking,
deep in my thoughts about,
"Am I going to see a third Jim Morrison reference
to really let me know that the doors are back?"
And then Jay-Z busts into this song,
which I hadn't heard or thought about in a long time.
Remember this one, Jake?
- Come on!
- And this song just went off.
- This was sick.
- ♪ R-O-C, we runnin' this rap ♪
♪ Memphis Bleak, we runnin' this rap ♪
♪ B-Mac, we runnin' this rap ♪
- You remember this Jay-Z song?
- No.
- "Takeover."
- I'm catching the door sample.
- Yeah.
- What era Jay-Z is this?
- This was on the Blueprint.
- This was on the Blueprint.
- '04 or something?
- '01.
- Okay.
- ♪ R-O-C too strong for y'all ♪
♪ It's like bringing a knife to a gunfight ♪
♪ Pin to a test ♪
♪ Chest in a line of fire with your thin best ♪
♪ You bringing them boys to man, I'm boys Paul Winn ♪
♪ This is grown man B.I. ♪
♪ Get you rode in the triage ♪
♪ Your reach ain't long enough, Dunny ♪
♪ Your peeps ain't strong enough ♪
♪ Rockefeller is the army, better get the navy ♪
♪ Kidnap your baby, spit at your lady ♪
♪ Rebring, knife to fist fight, kill your drama ♪
♪ We kill you motherf---ing ants with a sledgehammer ♪
♪ Don't let me do it to you Dunny 'cause I overdo it ♪
♪ So you won't confuse it with just rap music ♪
♪ R-O-C, we running this rap ♪
♪ M-E-Z, we running this rap ♪
♪ The broad street bullies, we running this rap ♪
♪ Get zipped up in plastic when it happens, that's it ♪
♪ Freak, wait, we running this rap ♪
♪ Owen Sparks, we running this rap ♪
♪ Chris and Neek, we running this rap ♪
- And anyway, so obviously Jake caught the reference immediately,
but for people who don't remember,
the sample, I think it's an interpolation,
is this old Doors song, "5 to 1."
[drums playing]
And I was just like, "Am I really seeing
Jay-Z and Beyonce right now?"
How good does this sound, man?
Huge. This sounds sick.
This sounds way better than a lot of late '60s rock.
[drums playing]
- ♪ 5 to 1, baby ♪
- It's this minimal-- it's like Jay-Z
barely had to do anything to it.
This song slaps.
- Yeah, it's funny how little he actually did to it.
- ♪ You get yours, baby ♪
♪ I'll get mine ♪
♪ Gonna make it, baby, if we try ♪
♪ ♪
- Oh, that-- [laughs]
- Sick tone. [imitates squeaking]
- ♪ We all get on the ground ♪
- It's cool. It kind of sounds like suicide.
- Yeah, totally. - Just like a high-pitched minimalist.
- ♪ May take a week, and it may take longer ♪
♪ They got the guns, but we got the numbers ♪
♪ Gonna win, yeah, we're taking over ♪
♪ Come on! ♪
- Yeah.
- [imitates guitar playing]
- Oh. - Yes.
I feel like the lead guitar playing in the doors
is, like, kind of slept on.
- Yeah, you think a lot more about the keyboards.
- They're always, like, super melodic,
well-composed solos. - Mm.
- Sick tone, too.
♪ ♪
- Oh, this song's so tough.
- ♪ Your ballroom days are over, baby ♪
- [laughs]
- ♪ Your heart is drawing near ♪
- I mean, Morrison is very confident.
He's like, "You know, sometimes my voice sounds a little crazy."
- Yeah, I'm just gonna lean into it.
- F it.
- ♪ Crawl across the yield ♪
♪ ♪
- ♪ Yeah, walk across the floor with your ♪
♪ Flower in your hand ♪
- That's a tough song, man.
That song's hard, before he goes...
- ♪ They got the guns, but we got the numbers ♪
- It's tough.
And anyway, that song holds up.
The Jay-Z takeover holds up.
So anyway, that makes three.
The doors are back. - I'm getting into the doors this year.
- We're getting so [bleep] into the doors.
- L.A. Woman album, I'm in!
- So [bleep] in, man.
- Peace Frog, dude. - Oh, Peace Frog.
- Let's jam out on Peace Frog a little later.
- Peace Frog. - Or right now, throw it on.
- All right. - Peace Frog is the jam.
- And you know, before--
I was listening to Peace Frog recently.
- ♪ Fantastic L.A. ♪
- Peace Frog is a '90s clothing brand.
They still make it, but the good [bleep] from the '90s.
I've been buying up all the Peace Frog on Etsy and eBay.
- Look at you, man. - I'm bringing Peace Frog back.
- Guys are making a play.
Oh, hell yeah.
- Funky.
[beatboxing]
- ♪ Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom ♪
[upbeat music]
- [laughs]
[upbeat music]
- ♪ There ain't blood in the streets, it's up to my ego ♪
- I mean, there's some bad news I heard.
My friend told me that they saw some official
Grateful Dead merch at Target.
- Matter of time, dude. - I mean--
- Stores have been there for 20 years.
- It's kind of like--yeah.
It's kind of like with the Stakehams.
You're like, on the one hand, you're like, "Well, that's cool.
You're bringing Dead merch to the masses
at a reasonable price point."
- Right.
- There's also a part of this kind of just like, "Oh, damn."
- Dude, imagine a T-shirt with, like, the Dead Steely
with the Stakehams logo.
- [laughs]
- I'm sure--Seinfeld, you should make that.
I bet you could get Stakehams to retweet it.
Do it from a fake account.
- Like, the least kind, least hippie food.
- Yeah.
- Although, Dead shows are, like, classic
for, like, just gnarly, lot food.
- [laughs]
- Like, coming out of a Dead show,
like, kind of stoned and drunk, like,
"Who wants Stakeham and a cheese whiz?"
- Yeah. - Like, just like...
- [laughs]
[upbeat music]
♪ ♪
- You're listening to...
"Time Crisis" on Beast1.
- Clearly, the doors are back.
- Yeah. TC is calling it.
- So anyway, I was very upset to see,
similarly to Steve Miller,
who waited to talk that [bleep] about Jerry till he died...
- Uh-huh.
- Somebody talked some [bleep] about Jim Morrison
long after he died.
- Yeah?
- When he couldn't say a goddamn thing back.
And I was very shocked to find out who it was.
- Who was it?
- Almost hesitated to drop this bomb,
because this is gonna probably just really,
you know, create some controversy.
- Yeah?
- It was Tom York, man.
[explosion]
Tom York from Radiohead.
Radiohead had an early song, which I vaguely remember,
called "Anyone Can Play Guitar."
It's off of Pablo Honey.
And there's a line that's, "Grow my hair, grow my hair.
I am Jim Morrison.
Grow my hair, I wanna be, wanna be, wanna be Jim Morrison."
Okay, so far, so good.
You know, this is early '90s, young Tom York...
- Yeah, man.
- Looking up to one of his elders.
Just two classic rock front men.
- Yeah, Radiohead came out of the gate
as a very straightforward rock band.
- They really did.
- Yeah.
- So anyway, that's cool.
Radiohead, Tom York shouting out, you know,
there's a lot of DNA shared between Jim Morrison and Tom York.
But then, in 1993, during a performance of the song
at MTV's Beach House, he changed it up a little bit.
And as we all know, in a live show,
Drake did this to Kanye recently.
The live show's a great time to subtly change up some lyrics
to throw shade.
- Mm-hmm.
- This time, Tom York saying,
"Maybe if I grow my hair, I can become Jim Morrison.
Fat, ugly, dead."
Damn.
- Lighten up, Tom.
- Yeah, Jesus.
So first of all, I gotta say--and you know, look,
this is a long time ago.
I'm sure Tom has changed a lot.
- I'm sure he's mellowed out.
- I'm sure he's mellowed out.
I also just want to point out, 'cause I was saying on the last show
that I was very impressed that in 1969,
Jim Morrison was already taking a stand against fat shaming
in a way that would not have been very popular.
- Jim was chill.
- He was chill.
And he was loving about it, you know?
As you recall, he said to the interviewer,
"I have a real problem with this."
That was in 1969.
And 24 years later, 1993,
a young rock front man could still be screaming
about how Jim Morrison, who had died 20-something years earlier,
was fat and ugly and dead.
And you know, Tom York, he's one of those lucky guys.
I don't think he has a problem keeping the pounds off.
- Hell of a metabolism.
- Everybody knows that Tom York is a skinny guy.
- Well, he's vegan.
That'll keep the pounds off, unless you're just eating french fries.
- But vegans don't get a pass to fat shame, do they?
- No, bro.
- Wait, Seinfeld, on the Internet, do vegans get a pass to fat shame?
Do you get a number crunch on that?
- Oh, no, they don't.
- Oh, you didn't even crush the numbers. Okay.
- I bet Tom York was not vegan in '93.
I bet he was crushing burgers.
- Okay, well, hold on.
Let's get a little more context,
because maybe Tom was doing some performance art.
In a 1993 interview with Melody Maker, he said of the track,
"It's really just a series of thoughts about getting up on stage,
making a brat of yourself and making a career out of it.
I'm sure it was great to be Jim Morrison in 1968,
but a lot of people can't relinquish these obsessions."
Okay, that's not so bad.
- Yeah.
- At least in that interview, he's kind of just, like,
poking holes at the idea of Jim Morrison as, like, an idol.
I could understand that he's a young rock singer coming out and being like,
"You know, you've got to kill your idols a little bit."
Maybe he's saying Jim Morrison has been elevated to a godlike status, whatever.
I don't know. That seems fair.
But hold on.
A year before, he did another interview where he was talking about it,
and this is what he said.
- '92 is early.
- "Jim Morrison's a fat, talentless bastard, and he's dead.
And none of that means anything."
What's the obsession with Jim Morrison being fat?
I got to say, there's something weird.
This is a true time crisis.
We're dipping in 1969, 1992, 2018.
There is something really sad to me to think about.
And I understand Jim Morrison.
I had an impression of him, too,
that he was kind of, like, pretentious, full of himself.
And I got to say, when we heard that interview,
that really changed things for me.
So it's really sad to think that 1969, Jim Morrison was being this thoughtful guy,
and then 23 years later, Tom York had to come out of the gate with Radiohead
saying that he's a fat, talentless bastard and he's dead.
So anyway, here's the whole quote.
"Jim Morrison's a fat, talentless bastard and he's dead.
And none of that means anything.
It's more important just to have your own voice within the business
than to live up to this thing that you're supposed to live up to.
I'm reading this book by Lester Bangs at the moment,
and there's this brilliant thing about how, on the one hand,
rock and roll should be taken very seriously.
On the other hand, it should be completely taking the piss out of itself.
Like the Stooges, on the one hand, they're a real f*cked up band.
But on the other hand, they just take the piss.
Iggy Pop is totally taking the piss so badly."
That's one of those things--I feel like we talk about this on Time Crisis a lot.
There's always the little biases and the narcissism,
small difference at any kind of cultural moment.
I was kind of raised in not a totally dissimilar time from early '90s
where I was reading rock magazines and stuff.
Of course, that probably made me cool on Jim Morrison a little bit
because I understood that from the rock critic point of view,
Iggy Pop, who I also like and admire--
and I like the Stooges and I like his solo stuff--
Iggy Pop is punk rock, funnier, more zany, seemingly more self-aware,
whereas Jim Morrison would be whatever.
I also got to say, at some point, when you're just kind of repeating
the received wisdom of the critics, you got to at least take a step back
and say, "I don't have an original thought."
I would say, yeah, as a rebuttal to Tom here back in '92--
we can't go too hard on Tom here because this was probably when he was 20 or whatever.
How old was Tom York in '92?
The Doors have more memorable songs than the Stooges or Iggy Pop.
I'm just going to throw that out there.
I'm going to say this--the Doors were a much more original band
than the Stooges and Iggy Pop.
In '92, Tom was 24.
Also, you know Iggy loved Jim Morrison, at least in the early days.
They're both out there shirtless, wearing leather pants.
Get out of here.
They're both these like heroine-chic front men.
Get out of here.
They got something in common.
And also I got to say, I like the Stooges, but if you had no context for it
and you were like, "There's a band from the '60s,"
they had this kind of like hardness and this minimalism
that almost prefigured punk rock or new wave or something.
There's like something really cool about them.
And you played the Stooges, you'd be like, "All right, I can see that."
But also if you played them this--
[drums]
--you'd be kind of like, "Oh, yeah."
There's a reason Jay-Z didn't sample any Stooges songs.
It's because this one just goes off.
It sounds like Yeezus, man.
Yeah, this does sound like Yeezus.
And I get it.
Jim Morrison.
Kanye kind of sometimes will do that sort of weird Morrison, like, "Ugh!"
Kanye's our Jim Morrison.
He kind of is, dude.
Nobody likes to talk about Jim Morrison anymore.
You know who produced that Jay-Z song?
Was it Kanye?
It was Kanye.
Oh!
Also, fun fact about that song--
Dude, that's amazing.
Whole circle, man.
Do you remember that song Nickelback did on a Spider-Man soundtrack
and it was like Chad Kroger--
Oh, with Josie from Saliva.
I knew that.
That's him doing those--
I do not know that song, Hot Lips.
Remember there was a band called Saliva?
No.
♪ I think that a hero could save me ♪
There was a band called Saliva?
Yeah, and the singer was a guy named Josie.
I've never heard of that band.
They were kind of part of that, like, post-rap rock wave.
Anyway, they didn't want to actually sample the Doors,
so they recreated the sample.
So it's not on the Jay-Z song, it's not Jim Morrison.
It's the guy from Saliva going, "Yeah, oh, yeah."
"Come on!"
You're getting a pretty good Morrison impression.
No, he killed it.
I always felt like people were hard on that band Saliva,
and I was like, "I f--- with this dude, Josie from Saliva.
"Definitely way more than Nickelback."
Although, maybe Nickelback's okay, too.
Anyway, I think what we're learning here
is that biases against certain styles of music and musicians
come in and out of fashion, man, and it's all just posturing.
# Well, the clock says it's time to close now
# I guess I'd better go now
# I really like to stay here all night
# The cars crawl past all stuffed with ice
# Streetlights share their hollow glow
# Your brain seems bruised with numb surprise
# Still one place to go
# Let me sleep all night in your soul kitchen
# While my mind may yoke and stow
# Turn me out in a while now, baby
# Stumbling into neon, growing old... #
But anyway, I gotta say, and I like both of them,
but the idea that Iggy Pop was so much more, you know,
ahead of the curve and smart and savvy,
and then you hear that Jim Morrison interview in 1969,
speaking up against fat shaming,
I would say if you compare Jim Morrison, Iggy Pop and Tom York,
all three of them, Jim Morrison is the one who's the most ahead of his time, man.
I love it.
Also, if there's any rock critics listening, like,
I like Tom York, I like Radiohead too,
I just wonder if today somebody is like,
"Hey man, you know, Jim Morrison struggled with fat shaming for his whole life."
I don't know if you ever heard this interview from 1969,
where he kind of like had to put an interviewer in his place,
and he was kind of speaking out against fat shaming,
like, way before it was fashionable.
Like, do you ever think about how multiple times in the early days,
you were shitting all over Jim Morrison,
and he specifically mocked a dead man for his weight?
I wonder if Tom York would be like,
"I was really insecure, man, in the early days of Radiohead.
I honestly thought I was too skinny,
and it made me feel better about myself to make fun of Jim Morrison for being fat,
and yeah, it was easy because he was dead."
And I know our first album was just really generic alt-rock.
And realistically--
I was insecure, and I hadn't found my voice yet artistically.
It wasn't until OK Computer that I could admit that I was OK too,
and I didn't need to punch down.
And obviously, The Doors' first album is better than our first album.
I did a little number crunching, and--
[laughter]
I found this 1993 profile of Radiohead from Details magazine.
I don't know if you remember Details.
Oh, yeah.
Sure.
Top Men's magazine from back in the day.
And at one point, the interviewer compares Radiohead to Nirvana,
and Tom York is quoted saying that he looks "incredibly like Kurt Cobain,"
but didn't have a "fat, ugly wife."
Ooh!
And then--
Damn!
And then the next line is, "Kurt Cobain was pretty sore about that."
Yo.
Tell him a little bit of a frat boy.
That's one year later after the Morrison thing.
Jesus!
It looks like he tries to walk back the comment as a joke,
but at that point, the cat was already out of the bag.
Wait, in the same interview?
Yeah, it goes, "Oops, that was a joke. I didn't expect Kurt to read it."
Wait, wait.
That just seems like in a subsequent interview he must have said that.
You know what?
Maybe this interview is quoting a previous interview with Tom.
Of course Kurt read it.
The bottom line is Tom York fat-shamed Courtney Love.
Ooh!
Around the same time.
What the hell?
This is so funny.
Oh, my God.
I guess that also just goes to show--
Early radio ads, rough stuff, folks.
Damn.
Let's try to take a step back and not make it about Tom York
because, again, people change.
Who knows what was going on with him back then?
I guess it also goes to show, though,
just how much the standards of what's fashionable on one hand
and what's okay to say changes so much.
Oh, yeah.
Because just picture Tom York's always been kind of like
a lefty, buck-against-the-system dude.
I bet he always cared about what are his passions,
the environment, things like that.
I bet that hasn't changed.
It's just that back then--
Oh, yeah.
You could just say, like--
Just imagine, like, a young rock band coming out today
and one of the first interviews somebody did
was about another prominent person's wife
and they called them fat.
I think it might be a rap.
People will lose their mind.
So I assume that Tom York doesn't speak that way anymore.
But you know what?
I'm going to try to take a positive spin on all this
because I do think Tom York's made a lot of beautiful music
for the world and probably has done a lot of good for the world.
I think it just goes to show that people who are thrust--
and I think it's probably even worse now that, like--
Yeah, young people are just--
People are thrust into the spectacle of music
and it's so inherently competitive.
People are just so desperate to just talk [bleep] about each other
or to prove why I'm better than that person or something.
I feel like-- Wait, was this like Brandon Wardell or somebody?
There's some kind of funny tweet or something
that was basically saying how, like, art or music or whatever
is basically just like sports for nerds or something.
Is this competitive?
Yeah, that it's funny because sports at least doesn't make a claim
to be getting at the inner truths of what it means to be a good person.
The essence of humanity.
Yeah, whereas-- I mean, some people probably say that about sports,
but music does, and there is something kind of refreshing
about just being like, "Let's keep it real."
Some of the same impulses that are pushing the linebacker
on the football field to just crush the other dude
because they want the sweet taste of success,
they want to win so badly,
they want to prove that they're better than their competitors,
to pretend that that is something that only exists in sports or jocks
or something like, "Give me a break."
Even Tom York, everything about him should scream "sensitive."
His lyrics are sensitive and stuff.
And even him, at one point in his life,
wanted to lash out against Curt and Courtney's feelings
or hurt Jim Morrison's feelings.
So rather than look at that as a failure of Tom York's in particular,
because I don't think that's fair, I would say that's just what
this crazy world does to people.
Good, sensitive people can be really mean
when they think that their whole life depends on it.
And a lot of people, when they're out there doing their interviews
or tweeting or whatever, sometimes they can feel like
their whole life depends on building a brand that's edgy
and puts down the right people.
Back in the early '90s, you could do that by calling people fat.
Today, you're not allowed to do it by calling people fat.
People have woken up to just how horribly cruel that is.
But there might be other things that a young Tom York type might say.
So maybe we've got to give him some sympathy too.
He was so young.
If I had been in a huge rock band when I was 22,
I would have said some dumb things too.
The funny thing is that when he was 24, they weren't even that huge yet,
so he was probably even more edgy.
The full context of that, it's not like modern-day Tom York
being asked about Kurt Cobain.
It's kind of like young, one-hit wonder Tom York
being asked about a more respected singer.
And he'd be like, "Well, at least my girlfriend's not fat!"
It's like he was a member of Oasis back then.
Tom York, oh, yeah, just talking s***.
Just brutal, taking the piss out of Kurt.
Although, to be fair--I can't remember if I brought this up on Time Crisis before--
Kurt used to say unkind things about the dead.
He wore a T-shirt that said, like--
"Kill the dead."
"Kill the dead. Kill the grateful dead."
"Lighten up, Kurt."
Yeah, so everybody's got to beat down on somebody else.
This is what I was thinking
About our bodies
What they mean
For our salvation
With only the clothes that
We stand up in
Just the ground
On which we stand
Is the darkness
Ours to take
Bathe in lightness
Bathe in heat
It's interesting to think that in the early '90s,
a guy who'd gone on to be very influential,
Tom York, is out there calling Jim Morrison
a "fat, talentless bastard."
And then ten years later,
a new guy comes on the scene
who's going to have an even bigger impact on culture.
His name's Kanye West,
and he hears a song called "5 to 1."
He says, "You know what?
I want to make a beat using this song.
I'm going to have my good friend Jay-Z rap on it."
The rest is history, man.
Ten years.
It's a short time in some ways.
In other ways, it's a long time.
Jim Morrison went from being a punchline
to the backbone of a significant rap song
on a very special album
that brought a producer named Kanye West to prominence.
Another ten years forward,
Kanye is killing it.
[laughs]
People love his worldview in 2018.
I watched SNL the other night.
Yeah, what'd you think about that?
I thought the new songs just sucked.
Although I did like the Perrier bottle costume.
At least that was fun.
That was fun.
I was like, "What are these songs?"
He's just standing there.
I mean, there's not much to say about it.
Yeah.
And I even feel like all the ink spilled on Kanye.
I see a lot of people who, like,
every time Kanye does something,
they're just, like, kind of tweeting,
"When can we stop talking about Kanye?
I cancel him. He's done."
Yeah.
And it's kind of like, "Be the change, man.
Be the f---ing change."
So anyway, I think if you really, really
have a problem with Kanye,
my feeling is I don't think Kanye's convincing anybody
to support Donald Trump.
No.
It's kind of like half of his audience is like,
"We're done with you,"
and the other half is like,
"Yeah, yeah, can we hear the music?"
But the one kind of sad thing
is that he's right about a few things.
He's right about that he wants to challenge orthodoxy
and that there's got to be more than two sides
to the story of American politics.
Sure.
The brutal part is that he,
for such a forward-thinking guy, he can't find--
Like, I get it if Kanye wants to say,
"Why should I be a Democrat?"
That's a great question, man.
Find a more forward-thinking answer.
I'd love to know.
Or a specific one.
He's just like, "Use your heart, not your head."
And it's like, "Well, no, actually,
you should use your head."
Use your head and your heart together.
Anyway, I got to say, maybe it's 'cause he's dead,
but we've been talking about Tom York, Kanye...
Cobain.
Cobain, Jim Morrison.
I got to say, again,
maybe just 'cause door season is approaching,
Jim Morrison kind of seems increasingly
like the coolest of the bunch, man.
Let's throw in some more doors.
What's some other good doors?
"Break on Through"?
That's, like, already, like,
that was the first single, "Out the Gate."
That [bleep] is hard.
Another just [bleep] hard song.
[drumming]
Oh, dude, listen to that.
[drumming]
It's like, what is this, jazz?
Garage rock?
[drumming]
♪ You know the day destroys the night ♪
♪ Night divides the day ♪
♪ Tried to run, tried to hide ♪
♪ Break on through to the other side ♪
♪ Break on through to the other side ♪
You know what?
Actually, [bleep] with his lyrics.
Like, people talk about him like he was a complete moron.
He's got some tight lyrics. Come on.
♪ We chased our pleasures here ♪
♪ Took our treasures there ♪
♪ Can you still recall the time we cried ♪
♪ Break on through to the other side ♪
[drumming]
Also, I love how, like, the kind of the palette of this
is basically just, like, garage rock,
but just, like, imagine that you've been hearing
all these, like, songs about, like,
kind of "Baby, I Love You" type garage rock songs,
and then just, like, suddenly it's, like, 1967,
and then just, like, you hear this similar palette.
You're kind of familiar with it, but then just, like,
♪ You know the day destroys the night ♪
It's just [bleep] hard.
The chords of this-- like, it's very baroque.
It's a very, like, specific sound.
♪ Shake it ♪
♪ Shake it ♪
[scatting]
♪ Found an island in your arms ♪
♪ Country in your eyes ♪
♪ All the changes, lies, and lies ♪
♪ Break on through to the other side ♪
♪ Break on through, oh ♪
♪ Oh, yeah ♪
♪ Din, din, din, din ♪
Oh dude, Blue Sunday?
The one that's after Peace Frog?
Blue Sunday?
Yeah, dude.
I don't even know that song.
Oh dude.
Well, hell yeah.
I wonder if the people in Beach House like the Doors.
[LAUGHTER]
That's a good question.
I'm going to text Victoria.
Is she the singer?
Yeah, I haven't talked to her in a long time, but...
Just out of the blue texts?
Do you like the Doors?
Yo, Victoria.
Do you like the Doors?
Interesting textures.
The lyrics in this one aren't that crazy, but I love the melodies and the vibe on this one.
On the last episode, the last couple episodes, when we got into the top five,
we had a lot of tracks by Machine Gun Kelly and Eminem.
Cracks me up even just thinking about it.
Two Caucasian rappers who were engaging in an epic battle.
I bet they're still on there.
I haven't taken a peek yet, but...
I don't think there's any more chapters in the story, though.
Are there, Seinfeld?
Maybe they're just hanging tough on the top five.
I seem to remember one of them being like, "This is it.
I'm not responding anymore."
I think Eminem was like, "That's the last you're going to hear from me about this."
All right.
But we got an email from a listener named Patrick.
I think I kind of know this guy on Twitter a little bit.
I think he's active in the...
Oh, in the community?
...time crisis Twitter community.
He said, "Hey, guys. I don't want to have to do this.
Ezra and I's rap battle is heating up at every turn."
Excuse me?
"I know he's going to act like it's not even a thing. Classic Ezra, but it's on.
This is my latest response to his constant disses, punk."
So this guy, Patrick, I don't actually have a rap battle with him,
but I guess inspired by the Eminem, Machine Gun Kelly beef,
he wanted to do his own thing,
and he made a song called "Vampire Slayer" over the MGK song "Rap Devil's Beat."
So let's check it out.
Yeah, remember that?
[Laughter]
Oh!
[Laughter]
[Laughter]
That's all-timer right there.
That's solid.
That is amazing.
That is a pretty good diss track.
He's really good, too, with the different vocal textures on each verse.
The production was very dialed in.
Yeah, this guy has a real mic.
Pretty good rapper.
He's a pretty good rapper.
He had some nice ad libs.
Facts.
I guess the proper response would be for me to release a Vampire Weekend album.
[Laughter]
So we'll see about that.
You know what I like about Patrick's rapping?
He didn't go below the belt.
I get it.
Fair enough.
Where the hell is the album?
I understand that people want the album.
I know that 8 Minute Cape Cod is not going to cut it for the fan base,
whatever's left of it.
And I like the callback.
He's like, "God, Seinfeld, let me get a number crunch."
Oh, yeah, that's a great one.
How many years has it been?
[Laughter]
"Yo, Seinfeld, let me get a number crunch."
Patrick, you did your damn thing.
Okay, so I'll keep working on my response.
The Vampire Weekend album.
You about to drop a hot coffee pot?
[Laughter]
Well, now it's time for the actual top five.
Let's get in.
It's time for the top five.
Five on iTunes.
This week on the top five, we're doing the greatest hits of 1968
as compared with the top five songs on iTunes right now in 2018.
Why 1968?
It's 50 years ago.
That's intense, 50 years ago.
Time crisis classic year.
I feel like we've done '68 many times.
It's a major year.
And then, you know, going full circle, it was the year that Steakums--
Was invented.
I wonder if that was before or after popcorn chicken.
That's a question for the agents.
I feel like being a food technologist is the type of thing that you could, like,
really get far with as a personal brand in 2018.
But I feel like it would be anti-technology.
I feel like food in 2018 would be, like, back to basics and, you know,
kombucha and kale smoothies and stuff.
Although that stuff is starting to feel played out, right?
So I think that the future would be, like, inventing, like,
new types of popcorn chicken.
Well, popcorn chicken using lab-grown meat.
Right.
That would be the new stuff.
Or, like, an impossible burger.
What is that?
It's a vegan burger that tastes a lot like a burger.
I've had it. It's good.
They somehow create hemoglobin from plant whatever.
I would love to eat a lab-grown burger.
Just to help Mother Earth?
Yeah, I mean, I think that's going to happen eventually, right?
Isn't that sort of going to be the future at some point?
Yeah, I don't see why they couldn't get it right.
It seems cool.
It could probably save the world.
If you could grow a burger without, you know,
using enormous amounts of resources and suffering.
Yeah.
I don't know. I'm on board.
I'd eat it.
Oh, we should also point out that 1968 was the year
The Doors released "Waiting for the Sun,"
their only number one record.
Big year for Stakehams and The Doors.
The number five song in 1968 was by the occasions,
"Girl Watcher."
♪ I'm a girl watcher ♪
[upbeat music]
Very compressed.
[upbeat music]
This sounds like earlier than 1968.
This sounds really lo-fi.
♪ I'm a girl watcher ♪
♪ I'm a girl watcher ♪
♪ Watching girls go by ♪
♪ My, oh my ♪
You know this song?
Yeah, kind of.
♪ I'm a girl watcher ♪
Well, now I'm reading that in 1987,
the track was reworked as "I'm a Wheel Watcher,"
and was used to promote "Wheel of Fortune."
That's so funny.
♪ I'm a wheel watcher ♪
I'd never heard this version,
and I thought that "Wheel Watcher" was the original song.
Yeah, that sounds familiar.
♪ I'm a wheel watcher ♪
Yeah, I remember that as a kid.
Kind of would like to hear that.
♪ With every-- ♪
I'm a girl watcher.
♪ Where can you go where every day is a party ♪
♪ Where everyone can join in the fun ♪
♪ I'm a wheel watcher ♪
♪ Where the action happens ♪
♪ I'm a wheel watcher ♪
♪ From your TV set to your couch ♪
♪ With every spin of a wheel ♪
♪ Tell, tell, tell, tell us about it ♪
♪ Where else but where the prizes ♪
♪ I'm a wheel watcher ♪
♪ The cash, the excitement ♪
♪ Keep getting bigger and better all the time ♪
This song was only 19 years old at this point.
♪ Let Max H. and Bette White ♪
♪ Show you the time of your life ♪
♪ I'm a wheel watcher ♪
Oh, God, I hate "Wheel of Fortune."
Yeah, it's a bad show.
Is it still on?
I think so.
Is Vanna White still working?
She is.
God, Jesus Christ.
I think Pat Sajak's a big Trump guy.
Is he?
There's a lot of articles about his Twitter account
a few years ago.
Oh, yeah, he loves Trump.
And then the network was like,
"Cool out on the Trump stuff."
Probably.
God, that's weird.
I just remember just like you're watching "Jeopardy!"
and it's like this very calm, quiet show.
Yeah.
Everything's just like tasteful blue.
And it's like questions.
It's just simple.
Yeah, there's like an elegance to it.
There's no BS with "Jeopardy!"
And then "Wheel of Fortune" just gaudy.
Yeah, that kind of Vegas, like gold foil everywhere.
I guess if you want to kind of be fair,
it's like "Jeopardy!" is like the epitome
of like snooty, annoying liberals.
"I'm Alex Trebek.
What is--"
Like everything about it is like--
Yeah, exactly.
You can picture it as just like remind people
of just like the epitome of a snooty liberal.
Let me get the Renaissance for 800.
Yeah, exactly.
And then "Wheel of Fortune" is just like Vegas, just like--
Spin the wheel.
Spin the wheel, make a deal.
Two ends of the spectrum.
And then it's just like filling it in.
It's like, "Please, Mr. Postman."
Yeah.
Yep.
And you just bet Sajak versus Alex Trebek.
Oh, yeah, "Jeopardy!" had like--
Had a Vanna White.
That'd be amazing.
I'll do the Deli Double, and then just like
Vanna White walks out and like touches the TV screen.
That's so fun, man.
Yeah, you know, even just the fact that "Jeopardy!"
is like kind of has this very calm atmosphere
and just Alex Trebek talking to the people.
And then "Wheel of Fortune" has like a male host
and then like the female letter churner just smiling.
It's like a car dealership.
Yeah, straight up.
I'm not even like writing for "Jeopardy!" here.
I just always felt like it was just like two shows
that just as a kid you're just like they're back to back.
And you're like, "Wow."
These are two game shows.
On paper, they're very similar.
They're just like totally made for different temperaments.
Yeah.
I wonder if there's anybody out there who's like growing up
and is like, "Oh, I love them.
That was my block."
Or if there's anyone that's like,
"I hate 'Wheel of Fortune,' I love 'Jeopardy!'
and I'm a ride-or-die MAGA."
[laughs]
Yeah, there must be.
I always saw "Wheel of Fortune" as like the appetizer.
Like if you work out, these are two different analogies.
But like you go on the treadmill, you get your heart rate up.
Right.
And then now you're primed for "Jeopardy!"
My memory is that "Jeopardy!" was on first.
Am I wrong here?
In Canada, "Wheel of Fortune" was first.
7 p.m. was "Wheel," 7.30 was "Jeopardy!"
And then it was "The Simpsons."
Whoa.
♪ I'm a wheel watcher ♪
Okay, I just got confirmation that in New Jersey,
where I grew up, "Jeopardy!" started at 7 p.m.
and "Wheel of Fortune" came on directly after at 7.30.
This is a little story somebody's telling.
One year when I was visiting family in Virginia,
I entered a bizarro world where "Wheel" was on first
and "Jeopardy!" second.
What is this [bleep] that Nick just showed me?
This is, I guess, a statistician.
What do most Americans see first, "Jeopardy!" or "Wheel?"
Jesus.
There are 210 different media markets in the United States.
From the research I've gathered from the "Jeopardy!"
and "Wheel" websites,
129 American media markets show "Jeopardy!" first
and 77 show "Wheel" first.
So 74 million televisions get "Jeopardy!" first
and 40 million get "Wheel" first.
Who's making those calls?
It's like a government experiment.
And I'm looking at it to see if it's kind of like
a red state/blue state thing,
and actually, no, it's all over the place.
All of Texas gets "Jeopardy!" first.
A lot of Florida gets "Wheel" first.
Those are both Merv Griffin shows, right?
I think so.
I also want to make the case--
You got to go "Wheel" first.
If we got any wheelheads listening,
the funny thing about "Wheel of Fortune,"
it's not like it's a game for morons.
You got to be pretty smart to be good at "Wheel of Fortune," too.
It's basically like a crossword puzzle.
Yeah, which I'm saying, like--
Yeah, yeah, it's not--
A smart person would be good at "Jeopardy!" and "Wheel of Fortune."
"Wheel of Fortune" is checkers, "Jeopardy!" is chess.
Yeah.
"Jeopardy!" just requires a broader knowledge.
In the Montgomery-Selma, Alabama media market,
they show "Jeopardy!" way before anywhere else
because they show it at 9.30 a.m.
That day's episode or the previous day's?
I guess that day, they're showing it first.
Oh, boy, that was a real rabbit hole.
The number five song in--
♪ I'm a wheel watcher ♪
[laughter]
The number five song in 2018, 5 Seconds of Summer, "Youngblood."
♪ Remember the words you told me ♪
They're hanging tough.
♪ So the day I die ♪
I kind of know this.
Yeah, it's catchy.
♪ I'm a random of everything ♪
♪ 'Cause you made me believe ♪
This is the same team that crafted Camila Cabello's hit "Havana."
♪ Yeah, you used to call me baby ♪
I met one of these dudes the other day. He was cool.
What was the context?
At that same fundraiser where I saw Red Hot Chili Peppers
play Allman Brothers.
What was the fundraiser for?
I don't hear this song anymore. It's not a bad song.
It was a fundraiser for the Silver Lake Music Conservancy.
Oh, okay, yeah, Flea's involved in that.
And I know some people who were involved in it,
and they were doing a fundraiser.
It was cool. Lindsay Buckingham did a solo set.
Oh, wow.
Shredded, as always.
What kind of material?
He did some solo stuff.
He did some kind of interesting versions
of some Fleawood Mac songs.
He did "Big Love."
And then he did--what's that song called?
♪ I've been down one time ♪
Yeah, of "Rumors."
♪ Been down two times ♪
"Never Going Back Again."
Oh, yeah, yeah.
But the way he does it solo--
and it's kind of like he does it real slow, like--
♪ I've been down one time ♪
Like, it turns into a real ballad.
It was tight.
He's been playing that song for 40 years.
He's got to have some fun with it.
The number four song back in 1968,
"Little Green Apples," O.C. Smith.
I don't think I know this one.
♪ Oh, I wake up in the mornings ♪
♪ With my hair down and my eyes ♪
♪ And she says, "Hi." ♪
♪ And I stumble to the breakfast table ♪
Interesting.
♪ While the kids are going off to school, goodbye ♪
♪ And she reaches out and takes my hand ♪
♪ And squeezes it and says ♪
♪ "How you feeling, pal?" ♪
♪ And I look across that smiling lips ♪
♪ That warm my heart ♪
♪ And I see my morning sun ♪
What's happening in this song?
Is this guy waking up in the morning going to work?
♪ And if that's not loving me ♪
♪ Loving me ♪
♪ Then all I gotta say ♪
♪ Gotta say ♪
♪ Is God didn't-- ♪
Whoa, no, this is not--
No, this is--
This is not from 1968.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
You hear that drum fill?
No way, that's from '68.
That's a re-record, man.
That's a re-record.
Something about this was not adding up.
Yeah, I was confused.
I was like, "This is like some pop country ballad from '68."
I guess it is a country song.
Well, that was a re-record from O.C. Smith.
Disqualified.
Yeah, we're not gonna--
Moving on.
Yep.
The number--
♪ Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo ♪
The number four song in 2018,
"Imagine Dragons," "Natural."
♪
Boy, we've heard this so many times.
♪
♪ Will you hold the line ♪
♪ When every one of them is giving up and giving in ♪
♪ Tell me, in this house of mine ♪
♪ Nothing ever comes without a consequence ♪
♪ 'Cause tell me, will the stars align ♪
♪ Will heaven step in ♪
♪ Will it save us from our sin ♪
♪ Will it 'cause this house of mine ♪
So I asked you, I think, over text
about the Chili Peppers performance.
Oh, yeah, 'cause--
So they did "Ramblin' Men"?
The Chili Peppers did a little set at the end,
and they opened with "Ramblin' Men."
And did they do the harmonized guitar parts?
No, 'cause there's only one guitar,
but they had this, like, shredder pianist
with them playing all like that.
Was he harmonizing with the--
No, not really.
Good version?
It sounded pretty tight.
Yeah.
The little clip he sent me.
♪ Ba-da-da-ba-da-da-ba-da-da ♪
Oh, wait, maybe the pianist did harmonize
with them at some point.
♪ Yeah, you're a natural ♪
♪ Livin' your life cutthroat ♪
♪ You gotta be so cold ♪
♪ Yeah, you're a natural ♪
You know who produced this song?
I don't.
It's a team-- I've heard about these guys.
Their names come up a bunch.
I hear music people talking about them a lot.
They're called Matt Man and Robin.
Okay.
Real names, Matthias Larsson, maybe Matthias Larsson,
and Robin Fredriksson.
Guessing Swedish.
I don't want to stereotype pop producers as being Swedish.
I'm guessing Scandinavian.
Solid guess.
Matt Man and Robin.
The number 3 song, 1968.
Oh, I kind of know this song.
The artist is the crazy world of Arthur Brown.
Whoa, I've never heard of that.
And the song's called "Fire."
Hmm.
♪ I am the god of hellfire ♪
♪ And I bring you fire ♪
♪ I'll teach you to burn ♪
♪ Dun-dun-dun ♪
♪ Fire ♪
♪ I'll teach you to learn ♪
♪ I'll see you burn ♪
♪
♪ You fought hard and you saved and you earned ♪
These guys like the doors, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, these guys like the doors,
but they didn't know how to go as hard as the doors.
No.
♪ You know you've only been so blind ♪
♪ Now's your time, burn you blind ♪
♪ You've fallen far too far behind ♪
♪ Oh no, oh no ♪
♪ Oh no ♪
I see that this song was covered by Emerson, Lake, and Palmer,
and I'm hearing that.
And Ozzy Osbourne.
♪ To destroy all your gun ♪
It's funny, back in 1968,
you want to listen to some hard rock,
you might have to listen to this.
♪
♪ I'll feel you burn ♪
♪
♪ You've been living like a little girl ♪
Here we go.
♪ In a little world ♪
How do you know this song?
Oldies radio, or?
I knew a cover of it, a Japanese cover.
Oh, wow.
'Cause when I started, like, getting into buying CDs,
I was--and records, I always would get these, like--
I was really fascinated by these compilations
of, like, '60s garage rock from different countries.
Sure, sure.
Like, I had a dope one that was, like, Mexican garage rock,
and I wanted those Japanese garage and psych,
and there was, like, a Japanese version,
a very faithful one.
Wow.
Back to 2018, back to the future.
Crazy world of Arthur Brown.
Oh, here's an artist you haven't heard from in a while.
Avril Lavigne.
Jake, you know who that is?
I mean, sort of.
Yeah, she had some hits, like, 15 years ago.
What do you know about her?
Not much.
I know she was in the Richard Linklater film Fast Food Nation.
Really?
Yep.
She played a fast-food restaurant employee.
Love that movie.
So you know her more as an actress.
And I know she had hits.
I don't know any of her songs.
I couldn't name one song for you.
But she was sort of, like, a pop, punk,
emphasis on pop artist 15 years ago, right?
Yeah, she came out, and she was kind of, like--
The window dressing of rock.
What was her early hit?
Complicated.
Why'd you have to go and make things so complicated?
Skater Boy was the next single.
He was a skater boy, said see you later, boy.
Great track.
She's a real Canadian icon.
She is, yeah.
She was married to Derek Wibley from Sum 41 for a bit.
Are they Canadian, too?
They are Canadian.
And then Chad Kroger from Nickelback.
Dude, Sum 41 was legit.
[imitating "Sum 41" theme]
Which one was that?
No, is that Lynn?
No, no, no, that is Lynn, yeah.
You don't know us at all.
We laugh when old people fall.
[laughter]
See, it's similar to that Tom York calling everybody fat.
Sometimes a young band comes out, they got to make a splash.
They got to say something controversial,
like we laugh when old people fall.
You don't--
I always thought that Sum 41 seemed like the coolest of that group.
Yeah, late '90s kind of--
What was that?
It was like rock rap meets pop punk.
Yeah.
I don't think it was something like that.
No, no, he raps--
They're rapping.
The doctor said my mom should have had an abortion.
Remember that?
He raps.
Jesus, I don't remember that.
[laughter]
Am I thinking of the band Lit?
Is that a band?
Well, they had a very similar song.
What was their song?
[imitating "Lit" theme]
Please tell me why.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of.
Is that Lit?
Yeah.
I don't know if I know Sum 41.
I'm thinking--
No, no, but there's--
Lit's the--
[imitating "Lit" theme]
Wait.
[imitating "Lit" theme]
Burn out.
Maybe their songs are very similar.
So my own worst enemy--
Please tell me.
Yeah, this is Lit, right?
Yeah.
[laughter]
Burn out.
This is what you were doing, right?
Yeah, this is what I was singing.
Okay, yeah, Sum 41's like--
[imitating "Lit" theme]
This is--
Eh, eh, eh.
[imitating "Lit" theme]
Yeah.
[cheers and applause]
♪ Can we forget about the things I said ♪
♪ When I was drunk ♪
[rock music]
♪ ♪
[rock music]
♪ ♪
♪ Someone threw the party like my name was El Nino ♪
♪ Hanging out, drinking in the back of a Mac and a Mac ♪
The Beastie Boys.
Right.
This is Sum 41?
Yeah.
Nobody came.
♪ Please tell me why ♪
♪ I'm sleeping with my clothes on ♪
♪ And I came in through the window ♪
It's the best singing style ever.
[laughter]
It's like the coolest vocal style.
Do you remember that--
[laughter]
Go for it.
It's so--
♪ At your mom's house ♪
Wait, who's "at your mom's house"?
I don't know.
It's me.
It's like--
♪ Go to Tyler's house ♪
♪ At your mom's-- ♪
♪ I was at your mom's-- ♪
[laughter]
Do you know--
Do you know this band, Simple Plan?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do you remember their song, "Welcome to My Life"?
Oh, yeah.
♪ Welcome to my life ♪
That, to me, is like--
You don't get any more.
Start that one.
No, no, no, no, no.
No, I can't.
I can't.
I want to hear just that.
I can't believe you guys know that song.
Was it that big of a hit?
Dude, my brother used to do them spot on,
like, out of the blue.
It'd be like a mellow Sunday afternoon.
We're just chilling.
And then he would just crank--
He would just, out of the blue, so loud, like ear piercing,
♪ Welcome to my life ♪
And he'd just be like, "Holy sh--."
[laughter]
♪ Do you ever feel like breaking down? ♪
♪ Do you ever feel out of place? ♪
But you know what?
I always liked Simple Plan
when I found out they were French-Canadian.
That's true, they are.
Isn't that, like, cooler that they're French?
Uh, not really, no.
Depends on who you ask, you know.
The lead singer's name is Pierre, I remember that.
That's right, Pierre Bouvier, I believe, is his name.
♪ No, you don't know what it's like ♪
♪ When nothing feels all right ♪
♪ You don't know what it's like to be like me ♪
♪ To be hurt, to feel lost ♪
♪ To be left out and not found ♪
♪ To be kicked when you're down ♪
♪ To feel like you've been pushed around ♪
♪ To be on the edge and break you down ♪
♪ No one's there to save you ♪
♪ No, you don't know what it's like ♪
♪ Welcome to my life ♪
That's a pretty good transition.
It's so green, it's so Billy Joe.
♪ Welcome to my life ♪
Well--
Dude, imagine if that was, like, the new Duncan theme.
[laughter]
Duncan.
♪ Welcome to my life ♪
You could kind of--
You could stick that on almost any brand.
Yeah, totally.
It's like--
Get the new Southwest Chicken Criss Sandwich at Burger King.
♪ Welcome to my life ♪
'Cause it's not just tough, it's Ford tough.
♪ Welcome to my life ♪
♪ Welcome to my life ♪
It is the best phrase ever.
♪ I'm Ted Cruz, and I approve this message ♪
♪ Welcome to my life ♪
You could stick it on the end of--
You could stick it on the end of anything.
I can never wholeheartedly make fun of any of that music, 'cause I do--
I probably like all the same stuff that these guys like.
Oh, sure, man.
Like the precursors to it.
They were the Dead Kennedys, I'm sure of it.
Or, like--
I mean, I like early Green Day.
Oh, great.
Dookie, sick record.
Beautiful record--
Beautiful?
[laughter]
Let's not go overboard.
Dookie, it's a beautiful record.
I don't even remember all the bands that--
But I was, like-- for a few years, I was very interested in that.
Or, no, you can hear it coming out of the, like, replacements or something.
But even the stuff directly before this, like, fat records and--
Oh, yeah, like, NoFX.
Or, yeah, I remember there was this band, Me First and the Gimme Gimmes,
and they would do pop-punk covers of, like, classic rock and [bleep]
It was just, like, a few years before this stuff.
Right.
And then it just got so commercial so quick.
♪ Welcome to my life ♪
I guess it's kind of the tradition that, like, Panic! at the Disco
and Fall Out Boy came out of.
Their music is super different, but it's, like-- it has its roots in that.
Sure.
"Welcome to my life."
Oh, we still haven't listened to the Avril Lavigne song.
Okay, yeah.
It's called "Head Above Water."
♪
♪ I've gotta keep the calm before the storm ♪
♪ I don't want less, I don't want more ♪
♪ I spar the windows and the doors ♪
Do you feel like Taylor Swift is, like, low-key influenced by her
in terms of singing?
Well, interesting.
Yeah, I can hear that.
Is Avril Lavigne, like, a very influential singer,
or is she kind of, like, part of a wave?
That's a good question.
I wouldn't call her influential.
I think she's, like, representative of a very specific time.
Early Taylor Swift had a touch of pop punk.
I can hear that.
♪ I won't let this pull me overboard ♪
♪ Gotta keep my head above water ♪
It's funny, I always think of Taylor Swift as so generic
that I've never thought of her having influences.
Yeah, but she's not really generic.
To this old mansy where she is.
Who are her big influences?
I know what you mean.
I've always felt like-- there's a few years where all anybody
wanted to do was talk about Taylor Swift and, like, debate her.
Is she actually good?
Is she bad for the world?
Whatever.
And I just always kind of, like, felt like when I'd, like,
really try to take a step back and any kind of biases
I might have put them aside, I just think, like--
remember the Starbucks lover song, "Blank Space"?
Sure, yeah.
There's an obvious level of craft here.
Sure.
You're talking about, like, stylistically,
is there a lot of flavor that makes it--
I don't know, but there's-- I think as a songwriter,
she certainly has a style.
So this song was about her battle with Lyme disease.
Heavy.
Oof.
She says, "Those were the worst years of my life
"as I went through both physical and emotional battles.
"I was able to turn that fight into music I'm really proud of.
"I wrote songs in my bed and on the couch
"and recorded there mostly as well.
"Words and lyrics that were so true to my experience
"came pouring out of me effortlessly."
That's scary.
Have you ever thought you had Lyme disease
or something like that?
I had it.
You had it?
2001.
Really?
I had it for a month, but I lucked out.
Did you have to take anything?
Yeah, antibiotics, but it went away, like, instantly.
Really?
But see, I had--
What's the story with people who have these chronic fatigue--
I don't know.
--things?
I think some people don't realize they have it,
and then they have it for, like, a year,
and then that's when you're really screwed.
And you're just--
So for a year, you'd be like,
"Man, I don't know, I've been feeling worn out lately."
Yeah, but I was on a tour,
and I think I contracted Lyme disease
the day before the tour.
I went to Europe with Wolf Kernel,
and then, like, two weeks in--
second Wolf Kernel reference of the show--
Yeah.
--two weeks into the tour, I was like,
"Man, I'm really tired, and my joints ache,
and I have these, like, gnarly red bites
that I got from this hike the day before I went on tour."
Oof.
Early usage of Google--
I remember Googling "Lyme disease"--
Yeah.
--and, like, reading about the symptoms,
and I was like, "That's what I have."
And then I went back to Oregon, got antibiotics.
Oh, you didn't, like, be like,
"Fuck, I gotta go see a doctor in Zurich."
No, no.
And it cleared up instantly.
But people who have it for six months or a year undiagnosed
is when you have the nervous system problems.
Oh, man.
I know a few people who have really, like,
got hammered with it.
That sounds awful.
I think it gets misdiagnosed a lot, too.
Well, yeah, yeah, people miss it.
Well, then there's that whole world of just general,
like, chronic fatigue syndrome and stuff--
Right.
--where you hear a lot of stories about people
feeling, like, insanely worn out,
but yet the doctor not being able to say,
"Well, you know, maybe you haven't been getting enough sleep,"
or something, and--
Right.
--as somebody who's identified mostly as just, like,
my whole life being pretty tired, kind of all the time.
I just always felt like I'm a low-energy person.
Interesting.
I know when I eat better and I exercise more,
I have more energy.
Yeah.
But there's always in the back of my head,
I've always wondered, like, it's exhausting.
See, that's the weird-- it's, like, exhausting to feel tired.
'Cause I can only imagine the kind of, like,
weird rabbit hole you're in when you're, like,
you legitimately have something wrong with you
and the doctor can't help you,
and you just know you're tired all the time.
That sounds brutal.
Anyway, shout-out to Ira Levine.
The number two song back in 1968.
This is a real classic.
I was talking about this the other day.
Jeanne C. Riley, "Harper Valley PTA."
You know this one, Jake?
Of course.
So this is a classic country story song.
♪ I wanna tell you all about-- ♪
All I remember is it's about a mom who basically
is, like, shaking things up at the Harper Valley PTA.
Well, she's calling out the hypocrisy--
--of the Harper Valley PTA.
She's a single mom.
Oh, and everybody's talking behind her back.
And everyone's, like-- she's wearing miniskirts.
She's trying to date.
Like, what's up with--
This is, like, a small town called Harper Valley.
Yeah, and then she's just calling out everyone's hypocrisy,
like, "This dude tried to date me."
"This woman's got, like, a drinking problem."
Right.
Let's check it out.
"Harper Valley PTA."
I love this song.
Have you heard of this podcast, "Cocaine and Rhinestones"?
I don't think so.
It's about country?
Yeah.
Just a shout-out to this podcast.
Listeners of TC might love it.
Yeah, it's about country music in the 20th century.
And, like, there's been, like, one season of it or so.
I've listened to all of it.
It's incredible.
Oh, yeah?
That sounds up my alley.
Each episode is, like, an insane deep dive.
And so one of the-- maybe two of the episodes.
I forget.
One or two of the episodes is dedicated
to the story of this song.
And, like, the writing of-- Tom T. Hall wrote it.
The, like, sketchy-- I can't really recall.
I mean, it's, like-- people should just dive into that pod.
It's, like, truly epic.
I love that Mike Judd show about country.
The animated show?
I haven't seen it.
I've heard it's amazing.
I watched a few episodes.
It's really good.
♪ Gary Harper, Valley PTA ♪
♪ Well, it happened that the PTA was gonna meet ♪
I do remember the very end of the episode on this song.
It was, like, Jeannie C. Riley on, like, Fox News in, like, 2002.
And she's like, "I swear Elvis is alive and well."
Oh!
And then the episode just ends.
It was, like, the harshest ending.
Oh, God. This is so crazy.
♪ I'd like to address this meeting of the Harper Valley PTA ♪
All right, so she gets her revenge.
It's a story song.
Yeah.
Sold over 6 million copies.
This is one of those stories I remember, too,
where they, like, recorded it on a Thursday
and it was, like, pressed over the weekend.
Yeah.
And then, like, a week later, it was, like, huge.
Number one, really.
Like, that kind of, like--
Must have spoke to the times.
August 1968, talking about hypocrisy, changing social constructs.
♪ My neighborhood ♪
My neighborhood.
The number two song in 2018 is called "Happier."
It's by Marshmello and Bastille.
Do you know who Marshmello or Bastille is?
I don't. Do you?
Yeah, Bastille is a band, and Marshmello is a DJ.
So I guess they're teaming up to do something.
You know the song?
Don't know the song. Let's check it out.
♪ Lately I've been, I've been thinking ♪
♪ I want you to be happier ♪
♪ I want you to be happier ♪
♪ When the morning comes ♪
♪ And we see what we've become ♪
♪ In the cold light of day we're a flame in the wind ♪
♪ Not the fire that we begun ♪
British?
Yeah, Bastille's British.
♪ 'Cause with all that has happened ♪
♪ I think that we both know the way that this story ends ♪
♪ Then only for a minute ♪
♪ I want to change my mind ♪
♪ 'Cause this just don't feel right to me ♪
♪ I wanna raise your spirits ♪
♪ I want to see you smile ♪
♪ Know that means I'll have to leave ♪
♪ Know that means I'll have to leave ♪
♪ Lately I've been, I've been thinking ♪
♪ I want you to be happier ♪
♪ I want you to be happier ♪
♪ When the evening falls ♪
♪ And I'm left there with my thoughts ♪
♪ Welcome to my life ♪
I think it's time for a real pop punk comeback.
Back to 1968, the number one song
by a band called The Beatles.
It's "Hey Jude."
♪ Hey Jude ♪
♪ Don't make it bad ♪
♪ Welcome to my life ♪
♪ Take a sad song and make it better ♪
♪ Welcome to my life ♪
♪ Be my life to let air into your heart ♪
♪ Welcome to my life ♪
♪ Then you can start to make it better ♪
♪ Hey Jude ♪
"Welcome to my life" is kind of like a response.
Like this song is all like, "Hey Jude," whatever,
and then, you know, Jude is just like,
"Welcome to my life, man."
♪ Go out and get her ♪
♪ The minute you let her under your skin ♪
♪ Then you begin to make it better ♪
♪ And anytime you feel the pain ♪
♪ Hey Jude, refrain ♪
♪ Don't carry the world upon your shoulders ♪
♪ For well you know that it's a fool ♪
♪ Who plays it cool ♪
♪ By making his world a little colder ♪
♪ Na na na na na ♪
♪ Na na na na ♪
♪ Hey Jude ♪
♪ Don't let me down ♪
That tambourine always seemed a little funny to me.
It's raw.
I like it.
You know, I was listening to you speaking of,
like, the Jim Morrison interview I found.
I think I've referenced this.
Sometimes you go into a YouTube wormhole
and you find so many weird little interview things.
I was just listening to a bunch of John Lennon ones.
One day we'll do a deep dive on these weird John Lennon interviews.
Please.
'Cause he used to just--
'Cause I remember, I just listened to one
where he was talking about, "Hey Jude."
But he, like, said some pretty wild stuff.
Like, there's one where maybe back then you'd do an interview
and you're just like, "Whatever,
this is one random newspaper person."
It's not gonna go anywhere. Yeah.
"Hey Jude" is Paul's--it's one of his masterpieces.
I don't think I had anything to do with it.
Ask him. I don't feel so I had anything to do with it.
He said it was written about Julian, my child.
He knew I was splitting with Sin and leaving Julian then.
So he was told, "I'm driving towards--
That's harsh.
--to visit me or Julian."
I think it was just to see Julian to sort of say hi to him
'cause he'd been like an uncle.
He was always good with kids.
And he'd come up with, "Hey Jude."
But I always heard it as a song to me.
If you think about it,
Yoko's just come into the picture.
He's saying, "Hey Jude. Hey John."
I mean, so I'm trying to have one of those fans
just writing things into it.
But you can work--you can hear it as a song to me.
Although it's also a song about him and Franny Schwartz
at the time, too.
But you hear it, the lines, "Chip on your shoulder,"
and all those things, I always took personally
'cause I was the one with the chip on my shoulder
and go out and get her, you know,
and forget everything else.
So subconsciously I take it that he was saying, "Go ahead."
On a conscious level, he didn't want me to go ahead.
Subconsciously, he--the angel in him was saying, "Bless you."
The devil in him didn't like it at all
because he didn't want to lose his partner.
"Hey, dude."
Also the fact, like, Jude--
I guess neither one of them is named Jude.
So it could either be Jules or John.
Or dude.
Yeah, and every time he's like, "Yeah, you know,"
he said he thought that--he always said that Jude was Jules,
my son, but also thought, you know, Jude rhymes with dude.
You wouldn't call a little boy dude.
I always thought that maybe I was the dude that he was talking to.
Oh, God, this accent was so bad.
Imagine if the song was called "Hey, Dude."
[laughter]
♪ Hey, dude ♪
♪ Well, you know ♪
♪ At the time John was splitting up with Cin-- ♪
I can't do the liverpool accent.
You're pretty good at it, man.
No, I feel like once in a blue moon I get it.
♪ Well, you know, at the time John was splitting up-- ♪
No, I'm just going to do an American accent.
♪ Well, you know, at the time John was splitting up with Cin ♪
♪ Yeah, you know ♪
♪ And, you know, I just said to myself, you know, "Hey, dude," you know. ♪
♪ And the dude, you know, the dude--truthfully, the dude was John. ♪
♪ And I was saying, you know, "Hey, dude." ♪
♪ He was my mate, he was my friend, you know, "Hey, dude." ♪
[laughter]
What is that?
[laughter]
It's so funny to think this song was exactly the same.
It just was "dude" instead of "dude."
It's just like--
What would it have tracked as hard?
♪ You know, originally, you know, originally it was about a man named Jude. ♪
♪ And I thought, "Oh, I can't make a song called 'Hey, Jude.'" ♪
♪ And I thought, you know, maybe "Hey, dude" is a bit more universal, isn't it? ♪
♪ "Hey, dude," I mean, anybody could be a dude." ♪
♪ You know, and I think, you know, if I could have the original lyrics, you know, ♪
♪ "Hey, Jude," you know, the song might have only gone out to a very small group of people, but ♪
♪ by turning to "Hey, dude," you know, became one of my biggest hits. ♪
♪ You know, and it was the number one single, you know? ♪
♪ Because I think when you say, "Hey, dude," you're talking directly to the people, man. ♪
And that's songwriting, baby.
The number one song in 2018 is by Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper.
Oh, I've been meaning to hear this.
I've been wanting to hear this, too, 'cause everybody's saying that "A Star is Born" is a great film.
I'm psyched to hear this.
So this is the "Hey, Jude" of 2018, people.
And it's called "Shallow."
It's called "Shallow."
That's gonna be more fitting.
Oh!
Ooh.
Jake, I bet you're gonna low-key love "A Star is Born."
Really?
Just a guess.
I'm excited to see it.
The trailer looks brutal.
Oh, I know all the writers on it.
Andrew Wyatt, Anthony Rossamondo, Mark Ronson, and Lady Gaga.
You know Gaga, dude?
I've met her.
But, I mean, I know Andrew and Mark, and I know Anthony a little, too.
Is this Cooper singing?
I think so.
♪ Is there something else you're searching for? ♪
♪ I'm falling ♪
♪ In all the good times I find myself longing for change ♪
♪ And in the bad times I fear myself ♪
Chris Baio's really excited for this movie.
It's true.
He tweets about it a lot.
Oh, yeah, I wonder if he's--
He must have seen it already now.
♪ Tell me something, boy ♪
♪ Aren't you tired trying to fill that void? ♪
This is like a '70s country record with the fake crowd noises.
Yeah.
♪ And it's hard keeping it so hardcore ♪
♪ I'm falling ♪
Low-key Gaga?
♪ In all the good times I find myself longing for change ♪
I'm in.
Maybe you're going to love this movie.
♪ And in the bad times I fear myself ♪
♪ I'm off the deep end ♪
Losing me.
What? You don't want to see Lady Gaga shred her stuff?
No.
Up there? Up in the high end?
I don't like that octave jump.
Keep it chill.
♪ I'm just on a side path where they can't hurt us ♪
♪ We're far from the shallow now ♪
♪ In the shallow, shallow ♪
This kind of sounds like Pink Floyd.
Yeah.
I feel like Bradley's really doing a Bruce thing.
I wonder what his background with singing is at this point.
Up to this point in his life.
Do you think he was in the college bands?
I don't know.
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪
Uh-oh.
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪
Losing me here.
♪ I'm off the deep end ♪
♪ Watch as I dive in ♪
Bruh.
♪ I'm in the deep, deep, deep ♪
Wow, this is rock man. We're going full journey here.
Wait, what Pink Floyd song does it make me think of?
My rock. I've seen references to this online where like Cooper was sort of modeling himself
after Eddie Vedder. And then I saw this like a quote where Eddie Vedder said, like, don't
make it.
The thing that I didn't click on that was like Vedder was like, don't do that, bro.
I remember I heard about this movie in the early days of development. And I remember
hearing somebody being like, oh, they're going to remake a star is born and Bradley Cooper's
going to play a singer and he's going to be kind of a kind of like an Eddie Vedder grunge
type. And I was just like, what? How is he not playing a country dude? If he actually
stuck to his guns.
It's a little ambiguous in the trailer. I'm actually seeing the trailer.
Yeah, I saw the trailer.
The trailer is a little ambiguous. It's like, well, is this like a Chris Stapleton kind
of guy? Like the impression I got from the trailer was more of a country guy. Yeah. Not
that he was like the frontman of a gigantic rock band. More of the guy that was on like
the backside of his career, almost like Jeff Bridges. And, um, what was that movie called?
Crazy heart. Yeah. But like 20 years younger than that character, but like, you know, a
dude that's playing like the L Ray theater or something.
This movie has like incredible reviews.
That's shocking to me. It looks so corny, this movie. I mean, don't get me wrong. I'll
see it.
94% on rotten tomatoes.
Rotten tomatoes is garbage.
Yeah. Way out with RT.
I feel like generally when there's like a big major event and I get a bad feeling that
I'm not going to like it, but then everybody's like, no, actually, yo, low key. It's really
good. I still don't like it. Yeah. That's generally been my impression.
Oh, absolutely. Have you seen Mandy? That's it? Like a 95% in Rotten Tomatoes. It's a
horror movie. Nicholas Cage movie. It's like this eighties pastiche. I couldn't believe
it's 95% in Rotten Tomatoes.
You thought it was trash?
Pretty much. It's a giant like F you. There's like a couple of crazy scenes in it. And then
it's like this like low budget, boring movie. It's just like, it's not that good.
Really? You know, I don't like to talk, but I've seen a few things recently that seemingly
everybody liked. And I was just like, this sucks.
Movie wise or what?
I don't even want to say content.
Don't talk to me about succession.
No, not succession. I'm willing to check out succession. I just think various forms of
content.
If you want to talk to me about the Jack Ryan adaptation on Amazon, then I'm game.
With Krasinski?
Terrible.
Oh, there's no way that's...
Garbage.
Well, Bradley Cooper's character in A Star is Born is named Jackson Maine. That sounds
like more of a country singer.
That is so weak.
Jackson Maine is not the lead singer of a grunge band.
No.
I think we discussed this, that grunge singers had like their name, Vedder, Cobain.
Yeah, they're weird ass names.
Kind of weird.
Jackson Maine is like the captain of the lacrosse team.
I guess when I try not to be a hater, when I consume content and I'm like, oh, this sucks.
Everybody's stupid. I don't want to participate in this world. I guess the good way to look
at it is like, you know what? Maybe even if something's not that good to have everybody
kind of rally around and be like, we're all going to kind of enjoy this thing and talk
about it. Maybe there's something good about that.
You watching the Deuce?
No, is the Deuce good?
It's great.
Yeah?
Nick's giving me a look.
I just feel like...
Well, I'm a solo and I'm flying solo on this.
I just starting to feel like, you know...
Best show on TV.
All this is, you know, just I feel like, oh, you always got to watch a new TV show.
I know.
Always going to be a new part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Well, I know.
Always going to be new albums.
I don't listen to music.
I do think the only ethical form of content is internet radio.
I'm sorry.
In 2018, when there is just way too much content...
Just tune in the TC.
There's just way too much content on the planet.
The planet can't support this much content.
It's frankly unethical to make content.
And the only decent content is internet radio because it's just comes and goes.
It's not taking up space anywhere.
It just streams...
Except on a hard drive, bro.
It's the only ethical form of content.
Internet radio.
I said it.
Lady Gaga.
A Star is Born should have been an internet radio show.
Succession should have been an internet radio show.
The Carter Five by Lil Wayne should have been an internet radio show.
Well, hell of a program.
I will say one thing.
I love that the number one song on iTunes has like fake crowd sound and like...
That's tight.
Yeah.
That song is cool.
Shout out to the writers.
Andrew Wyatt, hell of a songwriter.
Mark Ronson, hell of a songwriter.
Anthony Rossamondo, hell of a songwriter.
Lady Gaga, hell of a songwriter.
That's quite a quartet.
I don't know this producer, Benjamin Rice.
Welcome to my life.
Just the end of the song.
Welcome to my life.
You could just add that to any song.
All right.
Another time crisis.
Come and gone.
Well, we covered some good ground.
We'll see everybody in two weeks.
Peace.
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